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Re: Coronavirus disease (COVID-19)
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2020, 06:21:08 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus disease (COVID-19)
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2020, 06:41:32 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus disease (COVID-19)
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2020, 05:04:45 AM »
 When I first saw protesting mobs during the coronavirus pandemic (those in the United States), I noticed that many of the protesters (the protesting people) were without masks. Then I saw protests in other countries -- Serbia, Bulgaria and others. I was also disappointed that people gathered to protest, but many of them (most of them) did not bother to at least put on a mask! In such moments, when you know that it is a pandemic (and it is COVID's, which is not a small health problem), and people put their own health and that of others (relatives, neighbors, relatives (and everyone with whom they will later meet, probably again without masks)) in DANGER, you realize that really most of the people around the world are irresponsible and stupid. You're protesting against something you think is bad - well, it's good, but AT LEAST put on a mask so you don't create a trouble for you and for many other persons! What good is it to protest against an evil if you are, at the same time, a potential conduit for another great evil?
(Yes, masks are not a 100% solution to the problem, but at least, they limit the infection to some extent! Better with a mask than without it!)
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"0 COVID" , "COVID 0" -- policy of the impossible against which I protest
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2022, 07:11:45 PM »

"Zero COVID" -- policy of the impossible against which I protest


  From the very beginning of COVID-19 pandemic I wrote a lot about how people are not responsible -- that they should not protest against masks and they should follow the good Chinese habit to wear masks when there are viral diseases (i.e. I am not an antimasker), that they should not gather in crowds (i.e. I am not against distance and keeping away from the viruses), that hygiene is not at the good level at all and should be increased (i. e. I support the increased measures of washing, disinfection, etc. and am not against them), even about the vaccines I wrote that there are not (in the future) necessarily invented successful (and useful) ones, but despite my scepticism in this regard, I was never an anti-vaxer.
 But the new policy in China, which is for "0 COVID" ("Zero COVID") runs with mass testing (which goes to daily testing more than 10 times or once every few days in order to give you the right to use transport, enter a supermarket, etc., otherwise you can not), various lockdowns (some of which literally lock you up and you can't even get out on the street or in front of your block (or another kind of home)), traffic/transport, business, sports, etc. limitations led to:
 1. Ordinary people to be more and more dissatisfied because they are limited not only their freedoms, but also their incomes.
 2. Smaller and larger businessmen to grieve.
 3. Journalists, think tank scientists, even sinophiles and more classical oriented socialists like me to criticize, directly or indirectly, Xi Jin-Ping's policy.
 4. Even from the WHO (World Health Organization) there was criticism that this 0 COVID result is not possible.

 Of course, there are some people that like this 0 COVID policy (for example, insured pensioners with pensions who even hope this will last longer and then they to be able to get free food (in some places the local government really give them a few vegetables for free) and/or because they really believe that the present COVID variant is a very dangerous thing and it is possible to be achieved 0 morbidity).
 My main reason to be against it (apart from the already listed the restrictions on freedoms and the economic damages) is that this no new COVID cases (0 COVID) is impossible! It cannot be done once the COVID virus is imported even sometimes from abroad (through unwashed imported products, through illegally crossing the border people, through legal travelers after resumed international flights, etc. ) to achieve permanently 0 COVID (no COVID). It will come from somewhere (either through an unwashed/unsterilized package from abroad, or through an untested (mistested) foreigner or a Chinese citizen returning from abroad) and then what? Again all these mass testings, lockdowns and suffering? There is something I want to add to these: these queues (lines) of people waiting for COVID tests are also kind of like mass gatherings of people (some of them do not even keep the required distance), which also increases the risk of transmitting the infection.
 I'm not a fan of talking without evidence or spreading conspiracy theories. Quite logically, however, I think that this policy is hardly based on the pure belief that it is possible to have 0 COVID in one country, given that in the rest of the world COVID is practically everywhere. It is possible (again I say -- a purely logical guess) that there is some other, unknown, hidden economic, political or another kind of motive behind all this.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2022, 07:20:34 PM by Internet »
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"0 COVID" , "COVID 0" -- policy of the impossible against which I protest (2)
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2022, 03:43:44 AM »

"Zero COVID" -- policy of the impossible against which I protest (Part 2)


 I am adding something important -- I live in China since 2004. I am with socialistic believes and I was very satisfied during the Hu Jin-Tao's period and the beginning of the Xi Jin-Ping's period. Recently, I am not and I don't want to live in lie stating that I am satisfied. I can say absolutely the same about the anti-COVID measures in China. At the beginning everything was reasonable and I did my best to support it online and offline. I think that the small lockdowns (like those when there is a confirmed COVID case in some community and then only the community is tested and locked for a week or two, not all the city) and the one-time mass tests (when the citizens are tested only once, not daily or many times per month like now) were enough to take measures against the COVID and to keep the ecomony and the people's life normal. But now, I can't stop thinking of it as something nearly "irrational and inhumane" (It's from an article of Ako Tomoko, Associate professor in the School of International Liberal Studies, Waseda University.  Link to his article about "Zero COVID in China": https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/d00821/).
 I really try to stay away from the politics and I'm uninvolved (I'm not a member of any party; I don't receive any payments for political posts) but when it comes to something that affects my life and the lives of so many people, I can't stay silent.
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Re: Coronavirus disease (COVID-19)
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2022, 02:51:54 AM »
There are supporters of the current policy and there are people against it. Some opinion from the second kind:
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It’s unsustainable and ridiculous. It’s comparable to implementing a “No flu” policy. The reality is that Covid will always exist, to some extent. The economic damage that is and will continue to be done by these policies is significant, and is a contributing factor to why Chinese elites are desperately trying to move an estimated 60 Billion dollars out of the country.
It is from someone badbunny9191 I do not know if these billions are correct but it is true that rich people may try to move their money and their families abroad. The damage is done. But the supporters think it worth it...
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Re: Coronavirus disease (COVID-19)
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2022, 06:14:39 AM »
I hate flu. I want "0 flu". :)
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