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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Let me add more

« on: April 26, 2023, 07:07:34 PM »

 I had some chats to deal with so I will add more answers and thoughts here now.

 

Knowledge is just your storage of informations

This definition of the knowledge isn't very full and very philosophic. From a simple philosophy (and gnoseology) point, we may at least add that there is knowledge "I know" and also there is knowledge "I know how to", i. e. some knowledge is the kind you mentioned, but other is practical knowledge. For example, I'll share with you a sweet memories story . In 2004 I had to live with a pretty Harbin girl (哈尔滨美女) in her 1 room flat where was living her mother too. It was a small place but I worked for her as a part-time English and Russian teacher and shared the incomes 50/50, so she was generous enough to let me live there for free. It was a pity that I couldn't pass her high standard thresholds  but it was fun to be around because she often wears shorts and T-shirts and the "view" was amazing  . In a word, she was a hot lady, this is what I can give as an honest opinion but she wasn't very clever EQ wise and knowledge wise (but still she got English Master's degree or around)... Why I am sharing this? Because there was an unforgettable conversation with her: once I told her that "Mushrooms aren't plants. They're also not animals. They have own "kingdom" (kingdom "Fungi", which includes the yeasts, rusts, smuts, mildews, molds, and mushrooms. ) And then she undervalued this knowledge of mine and said: "We, the Chinese, don't think this is "knowledge". For us more important is can you solve some practical problem like, here is a long stick in the room and the door is small, how to move the stick away through this door."  This sounds a bit funny (because she was one of those who think they can represent all of the Chinese people "I think so = All Chinese think so") and the example was too childish (a long stick and a door, wow ) but the point was interesting -- yes, there are different type of knowledge and to know what are the mushrooms isn't the same as to know how to rotate a long stick moving it through a small door.

And, the statement that g is 91% genetic and 9% environmental can be easily googled:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)#Genetic_and_environmental_determinants

A friendly reminder to all people who think that in China you can "google it" or reading Wikipedia, Yahoo... or watching YouTube, reading Facebook, Twitter... and so on, this is what you got trying to do so:

• google.com? Sure! 

  This site can’t be reached
  
  gogle.com took too long to respond.
  Check your internet connection.
  
  Check any cables and reboot any routers, modems, or other network devices you may be using.
  If it is already listed as a program allowed to access the network, try removing it from the list and adding it again.
  If you use a proxy server...
  
  Check your proxy settings or contact your network administrator to make sure the proxy server is working. If you don't believe you should be using a proxy server:
• Wikipedia.org? Of course!

  This site can’t be reached
  
  wikipedia.org took too long to respond.
  Check your internet connection.
  
  Check any cables and reboot any routers, modems, or other network devices you may be using.
  If it is already listed as a program allowed to access the network, try removing it from the list and adding it again.
  If you use a proxy server...
  
  Check your proxy settings or contact your network administrator to make sure the proxy server is working. If you don't believe you should be using a proxy server:

 You need to pay for a VPN (not a good idea if you're with low income or jobless) and still you never know when some policeman will say that it's illegal. You're living in permanent uneasy status if you do so, that's why I am avoiding to use VPNs in China most of the time. (I'm just telling this because I usually only "Bing it" and "Baidu it", but can't "Google it" or "Yahoo it").

 So, because I am sort of limited to reach the sources and we tend to agree that there is some correlation between IQ, knowledge, education, marks and even the success in life, I will leave the details for those who're really more deep into the matter.
 
 Let's see more about the so-called IQcels -- what problems we may see there which will help us to know more about the inceldom itself.

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Re: Why is America so obsessed with IQ?

« on: April 26, 2023, 06:04:16 PM »

just tautologically throwing this question 'Why do people with decent education have higher average IQ than those with awful education'

 It can be tautological if we take it as a statement that, you see, the clever people have good marks; good education. I'm telling something more that non-clever people via education get smarter, cleverer + that even the mentally challenged (and even animals which are obviously lower IQed "creatures") are capable of improving their intelligence if you teach them long time with patience and right pedagogy. That's why a gorilla that grows up with human educators may become capable to past tests that even some human teenagers can't but the similar gorillas growing in the jungles can't pass tests which are the human kids' level.
 

the increase of IQ score does not equate the one of your g

 And then how you know the the g is the same or not the same, if the IQ tests' scores are different but don't show anything?! Does it mean that the IQ tests are useless to show the real g? (There is an opinion like this, I met it before.) And how you know, at all, the g if we accept that the IQ tests, the marks in school, the life results (achievements) don't show anything about it? Is it really unmeasurable and if it is, how we know that there is something like that and something about his quantity?

 

so after all you are still just increasing the specific variances instead of the common variance which is 'g'

 Is g the sum of all its variances? Like, let's make a fast analogy, an army: only to enlarge the number of the soldiers isn't the whole army improvement, but if you add more naval forces, better AI, new capable generals and so on, the overall army is getting better, i. e. the army is the sum of all these: the AI, the generals, the navy, the soldiers of the ground forces, the drones, and so on and so forth. Is g the sum of its variances? Or something more than it? If so, what's the amount of the variances in the whole g? After all, what's g?
 
 

grade correlates with IQ with an r=0.5, and IQ correlates with g with an r = 0.9+('IQ' here stands for 'FSIQ' on wais-iv). So you can see grade does not correlate with g(viz, it does not have high g-loading) highly

Maybe this is the extend of the correlation if they measured it right. Can you give me the link (the source) of this study to see more how they got these concrete results?

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Other languages / Mалка величина е лесно да бъде увеличена значително

« on: April 26, 2023, 06:40:36 AM »

Mалка величина е лесно да бъде увеличена значително

 Да, така е. Малка величина е лесно да бъде увеличена значително. Примерно имаш 20 танка, добавяш 10 новопроизведени и ето ти едно значително увеличение (цели 50%). 

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Autismmaxx?

« on: April 26, 2023, 06:18:18 AM »

 On purpose （故意的, in Chinese）I am adding this one here to make it more clear: is the autism-maxx (autismmaxx) really a maxxing thing?
 Okay, let's say as a joke or a humorous element of the inceldom and incels' communities it may be sort of valuable stuff but... is it a maxxing or a minning?
 Every incelologist and almost every incel, I believe, will say that a -maxx thing is something that at least can slightly increase your chances to ascend (or at least to be considered as a more attractive person or a dating material). Are there many females who like autists? I doubt it. If a female is an autist herself she is not going to say/think/feel "Hey! I want to date only autist guys!". In the better cases she can be like "Yes, they're humans too, we can't ignore them for being autistic, I am an autist myself!" but still... it's like the case with the short women when they may be okay with a short guys but also they may be not okay ("Hey, I am short so I don't need another short here! I want at least my kid to be tall so I am longing for a tall man!")
 So, Liam, what's that autism-maxx thing?
 According to some study (not sure how representative it is):

- only 7.7% of this high functioning autistic cohort reported having had a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, and 1.5% with someone of the same sex.
- only 1.5% of the group had sex.

So, if the percentage is something around it (or even double like -- 3% of the autists are ascending and 15%+ of the autists are in relationships), then what's that autism-maxx kind of maxxing?! It's like saying "short-maxx" or "poor-maxx", isn't it? When the majority of the females do avoid autists, short man and poor man, how you can use this disadvantages to self-maxx yourself with them?!

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Re: Why is America so obsessed with IQ?

« on: April 26, 2023, 05:37:51 AM »

As for how to train the general intelligence, currently the professionals have yet to figure out any method.

So, reading and learning, communicating with intelligent people, watching scientific videos and so on, aren't consider a method by the professionals? Still, how to explain it that people who read and learn more, are usually, more intelligent than those who're just playing games and eating?

 

The only way is to keep yourself healthy to suffer from less decline of IQ thus your IQ will 'increase'.

 It's a way but I don't think it's the only way. Even a challenged kid (let's say above the imbecile level) is able to increase its intelligence via the oligophrenopedagogy, which is coming to show that the average IQ people via education may have real chances to improve their intelligence.
 How a person raised by wolves or monkeys is the same intelligent as a person who is attending university classes just because their DNA is the same?! Impossible. The practice shows that the education and the training improves a lot. Even an animal -- a kid (goat's baby) or a puppy will become more intelligent if it's around teaching and caring animals, people and others. For example, a monkey can learn how to use a soap if you teach it but if you didn't it will not use it.
 The more primitive organisms like snakes rely mostly on their DNA but the more evolved like the monkeys, the apes, the humans, they need socialization, practice, learning and in this way they increase their fuller potentials of IQ, EQ and others.

"And, whether I am saying is correct or not is not dependent of whether what I am saying is demonstrated by a professional or not, not to mention what I am saying is just the viewpoint of the psychometric professionals." You just prove it well enough and we'll believe it. Of course we, as scientists, want more verifications, studies, etc., but if you're a person who just have his own good proves, it's okay. I mean, we don't need to be formalistic.

 The law of diminishing returns is a good mention. Let me add a simple image of it for the people who never learned it: . If the concrete (Spearman's) is something different, let's know.
 This law shows that the efforts (quantity) leads to results (quality).

 

because knowledge is delimited from intelligence

 Look, it's a philosophical problem -- how you will define the knowledge and the intelligence. There are and can be different definitions of them. And according to the definitions they will overlaping or be equal, or be different.
 For example, to answer an IQ test question correctly you have to know how to, you have to have some kind of knowledge. Another example, if you know some fact, like "Tibetan language (藏语) is related to Chinese language (汉语) because they're from the same, Sino-Tibetan language family (汉藏语系)." can be considered as intelligence because most of the people around the world don't even know what's Tibetan, where is Tiber, what languages are Tibetans able to speak and understand, what is their native language and so on.

although knowledge is not intelligence, but they are correlated because how well you can apply the obtained knowledges and retain them needs intelligence

So, according to this, the intelligence is an ability and the knowledges are the tools of that ability? Something like the situation with the emperor-like person who is using the main party in his country as a tool? Am a correct?

This is just Crystallized Intelligence.

Here we have to explain this definition: this theory (fluid intelligence versus crystallized intelligence) was first proposed by psychologist Raymond Cattell who further developed it along with his student John Horn. The theory suggests that intelligence is composed of different abilities that interact and work together to produce overall individual intelligence.

When there are other unexpected variables adulterating the variances, the loading on the expected factor will for sure be lower, compared to the same context without the unexpected variables in question.

Of course! "unexpected < expected" but what's the point here?

but education, reading, you name it, never really boost your intelligence very much, because general intelligence is 91% genetic and only 9% environmental.

And here, exactly here, you need to provide studies which measured it. Everybody can say that it's 91:9 or 1:99, why not 50:50? Who proves that the genetics vs. environmental is only 91/9? Huh? Yes, we may guess the genetics is the base and maybe it's at least 50% or more. (That's why I strongly disagree when the parents or school owners blame only the teachers for the results -- they postulate that the students are all equally gifted and with the same IQ, the same genetics. It's really wrong! And that's one of the reason, empirically to say that I do agree that the genetics is 50% or more! But 91% looks too much and, yes, it looks still possible, but give me the sources of such a serious claim.)

IQ does not correlate with life outcomes as highly as some high IQ megalomaniacs are blackpilling.

Here comes the EQ and other types of "Q" that are sometimes or often neglected and, also, other factors (like the capital, the relationships, the background, the popularity and many others). There are so many low IQ-ed and average IQ-ed successful man and women, of course the life outcomes are not very correlated with the IQ and even with the marks in school (which are a better mirror of your IQ and EQ) and your overall knowledge.

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Re: Why is America so obsessed with IQ?

« on: April 25, 2023, 07:01:37 PM »

One empirical evidence is that, no matter how rigorously you get trained on the matrix reasoning, the training will not boost your performance on the visual puzzle at all. If the common variance is really increased, then your performance on the visual puzzle will also be increased in tandem with the one on matrix reasoning but the truth is not like this. This means you just increase the specific variance.

 I don't know is that an empirical evidence and if there is a research about it but let's assume you're well informed and it's true. Okay, then here comes the last question for today (I am pretty sure many incels and others will be interested to know your answer:) If the common IQ is static, does it mean that your learning, reading, studying and so on, don't increase it at all? And if so, why usually people who read, study and learn are more intelligent than those who don't read, don't study and don't learn?

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Re: Why is America so obsessed with IQ?

« on: April 25, 2023, 06:54:43 PM »

The 'correlation' means, that two things are correlated with each other, but that does not necessarily mean if you increase one side the other side will increase in tandem. IQ tests measure your cognitive abilities as the indicators of your g, and they are correlated with g, but increasing the indicators does not increase the construct that is indicated. Training the indicators is thus distinct from training the general intelligence.

 The question remains that if you increase more and more, there should be one point where there will become some increase, this is  the law of the passage of quantitative changes into qualitative changes.
 Concretely, if Ana and Mary are twin sisters and Marry never goes to school but Ana goes and reads 400 good books in her life after 10 years is Ana's IQ higher than Mary's or they remain the same?
 Well, I want to also to know "how do you train the general intelligence?" and how is it different than training the "indicators"? (Just to learn something new.)

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Re: Why is America so obsessed with IQ?

« on: April 25, 2023, 06:46:46 PM »

'dating' does not equate 'marriage'.

 True. But if you're poor (don't pay her bills and can't support her travels or something, depends on how greedy is she. There was one who said he was happy to find a girl who charge him only to pay for her books, but there are girls who'll say you should pay 100%, including her feet massage or her new expensive dress) you're not seen as a dating material at all.
 I know you're relatively rich, from the high class districts in the high class city (Shanghai) and you never experienced things like being so poor that you have to eat only 1 egg a day and the best gift you can make to a girl is a pencil drawn picture on a small notebook paper.
 Do you know that there are girls that after the first date they're leaving because you pay only for bus transportation, not for taxi? I bet you (or the males around you) can't imagine it because they have own cars and even don't need to think about taxis. But if one day you get poorer you'll realize what is the biggest problem (and why the world has Marx and Engels -- because the poverty, the exploitation is/are the biggest issue).
 So, if she is leaving you because you have no car, of course, she is not going to marry you too. Ohhhhhhhhhh, especially if she is from those places where you should pay her family too (something like "monthly tax" that you're having their daughter).
 No good face or good height can save you if you're not fulfilling her expectations of being a donor (spending money non-stop, because "You are a man and you have to.") I saw people from the West also said that in some places there are poor Chads who're becoming poorcels because they're carless, jobless, etc. and the females prefer to date a rich Norman than a poor Chad.
 In a word, you think "uglycel < poorcel" but I think "poorcel < uglycel" and "poorcel < almost all of the rest".
 For all those who never dated, I want to make a simple math here:

 Imagine that you're meeting only 10 times a month. Every date costs around RMB 200 at least (like a simple dinner for RMB 90 + a movie ticket for RMB 100 and something like RMB 10 for the transportation.) It's RMB 2000 per month in the better cases! What if your salary is just RMB 3000? How you'll pay your food, your bills, your rent?... What if she insist you to be more "大方" (generous) and to pay her some money for clothes, nails, more expensive restaurants? I will tell you, it's already RMB 6000 per month (many Chinese people have no this income).
 So, if you're poor, don't think at all about starting dating because you'll be insulted for being not a "true man" or just politely left and ghosted for being incapable to pay according her expectations (and previous experience). 

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Re: Why is America so obsessed with IQ?

« on: April 25, 2023, 06:26:28 PM »

for new generations, the weighs of height and face are way heavier than money.

I think for all generations good-looking is better for falling in love than just money. The problem is that new or old, no female will stay with you if you're homeless, you don't pay her bills at least A-A and you're not providing her. Some Chinese women even want you to give money to their parents. Try having a girl-friend in China only with height and face and see how long she's with you (if she start to at all).

No, seriously, find a handsome dude and make him to invite a girl saying that he's jobless, not going to pay dinners and no car, only pure love, walking in the parks, sitting and talking at home and drinking home-made tea... See how many girls will say "No problem, 帅哥就够了啊！"

 And let Liam read how many Chinese females (from different generations) honestly are saying "I don't like poor males." ("我不喜欢穷的男人。"): https://www.baidu.com/s?ie=utf-8&f=3&rsv_bp=1&tn=cnopera&wd=我不喜欢穷的男人&oq=%25E6%2588%2591%25E4%25B8%258D%25E5%2596%259C%25E6%25AC%25A2%25E7%25A9%25B7&rsv_pq=ad47c81400021810&rsv_t=b160OSxOc8B2UnBw2x%2FSq3QRxPNhj2xf8w%2BXIH6YT88tbx5dPcm3rKgS3IS%2FQA&rqlang=cn&rsv_enter=1&rsv_dl=ts_1&rsv_sug3=1&rsv_sug1=1&rsv_sug7=100&rsv_sug2=1&rsv_btype=t&prefixsug=%25E6%2588%2591%25E4%25B8%258D%25E5%2596%259C%25E6%25AC%25A2%25E7%25A9%25B7&rsp=1&rsv_sug4=11634

I never said being poor was not a big disadvantage in the dating market. I was saying that being poor was not as detrimental to the success of dating as being short/ugly was, and even though the magnitude of poorness is higher than the one of being short/ugly, the tall and handsome(or even just tall) but poor man still triumph over another rich but short and ugly(or even just short) man in dating.
This is not blackpilling, at least this aligns with the reality of dating in China.

How you can say so especially about China, when everybody knows that the majority of the Chinese females are very money-oriented, travel-oriented, they need a lot of money for everything; some of them even spend 500 for a hairdresser...
 Of course, you can keep your opinion and I am not trying to change it, but I want to say to all others who're reading it, that the Chinese females (and most of the others) can't stand a poor man and dislike to live in poverty; if there are two man: one handsome and tall but poor and one average but rich, at the end of the day, they'll choose the rich one. Oh, you can call it beta-buxxing or whatever, but this is it.
 I strongly suggest everyone to pretend being very poor and to see if there will be a female who'll agree to date a man who can't take her to a cafe, don't drive a bike or another vehicle, don't pay for movies, don't pay for anything and they just have love relationship talking about games, poems, history, art during their long walks beside the river, around the lake, etc.
 In a word: if you take 100 poor Chads and 100 really rich men, there will be almost 90% of the Chads without girlfriends (maybe some, around 10%, may get some short-term, like one-night-stand but not more if they're not hell lucky to find some unicorn girl who will be enough rich to say "I will pay all, you just be a Chad!") and there will be almost 90% of the rich men who will have a wife or at least some lover (called "小三") for beta-buxxing. It's a common knowledge that "rich = there are women" except for those who're living around the same rich women (which means they're relatively not rich), i. e. geo-minned males or those who're really something like 0.5/10 to 2/10... A 3/10 rich man (not a midgetcel, not a disabledcel, etc.) is already blessed because almost everywhere he can get at least one Becky. Can't say the same about the poor Chads who even can't geomaxx and have to stay forever in their villages where most of the people are males too.
 In a ideal world, where the females aren't materialistic and don't care about the money and somehow don't care even being poor, homeless and starving - yes, only the looks and the height is enough to attract some or many; but in this capitalistic and/or neo-feudal society being rich enough is a good base but just being handsome and tall, isn't. Can you see some single billionaire? Show me at least one.

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / General intelligence and cognitive abilities

« on: April 25, 2023, 06:04:59 PM »

 If there was some average incel or just another normie I guess they'll start with: "LOL, you think you know better than the professors? Just shut up.", but I am ready to accept that you maybe know better or you even can discover something new or invent something new. Therefor I will be glad to discuss it more (and to learn new things because you're deeply learning this matter and you're sort of professional.)
 Here, some questions for thinking:
 

• The change of child's brain structure and IQ derive from the more reliance on his/her genes, and cognitive training can increase your cognitive abilities but not your general intelligence('g').

  If you increase your cognitive abilities, your knowledge, culture and so on, at one moment, isn't this summing up to a higher level of the general intelligence? Like in economy -- only improvement of one sector and one town doesn't lead to general improvement of the economy, but when you improve more sectors + more towns + receive investments, in one point, the general economical situation (GDP and GDP per capita, let's say) will also get improved.

• They confused common variance with specific variances

  Even so, isn't it enough once you are able to improve all the specific variances you need? The overall intelligence should also be impacted. How this common variance can stay out of the dialectical law that after certain point the quantitative change turn into qualitative change, like water and cold -- more cold, colder and colder and in one moment the water is already ice. Or add heat, hotter and hotter, the ice is back to water and if you continue this the water is converted into vapor.
   How to accept that even if you improve 20 or 30 specific variances your common variance is still the same. At the end of the day, that common variance is "common" because it's made of (or consists) the sum of the specific ones.
• According to your current understanding of the IQ, answer me this interesting question: if there are 2 men (let's say twins or brothers) who have identical (or very similar) general IQ and the first one just start to live isolated in the jungle (like a Tarzan or a Mowgli) and reading nothing, watching nothing online, talking with nobody, and the second one is learning hard in Oxford, reading books, watching philosophy and science online, talking to educated people... after 5 years when you test them, is there going to be a different result?
  
  I think the result will be very different because the men who grow up in the jungle will even can't know what's the difference between a square and a rectangle, so he can't understand even the question about how many squares are there in a picture full of squares and rectangles. But the Oxford brother will answer many of the questions immediately just because he already dealt with them before or because he is the author of some of them.

• We gotta concede this world is totally unfair and the revelation of unfairness is not blackpilling

  
  No, no. Look, the blackpilling aspect is if someone is a fatalistic and pessimistic, i. e. when thinks that everything is given and static and nothing is in motion, there is no development, there is only regress and there are no opportunities. It's just a very strong determinism in the best case, in the worst it's a kind of fatalism.
  
  The meta view (taking into account) all of the pills (points of view) and selecting/seeing the right, the semi-right or semi-wrong, and the wrong is what the scientific philosophy do. When it comes to the concrete IQ it's the same -- if there are people who're telling you that everything is genetics and there is no way to change or improve at least a little, obviously it's blackpillism, fatalism, fatalistic biologization, etc. Also, if there is someone who'll say that we're all equal, the genes doesn't matter and it's only up to our efforts, it's another radical uneducated view, which is bluepilled, radically indeterministic, etc. because it's obvious that some people from the early childhood are more gifted than others.

• this world is totally unfair

  
  Even so, we can't conclude that everything is strongly deterministic, fatalistic and there is no room for improvement. In some cases, yes, there are these 100% genetically given things like color of the eyes, form of the ears and so on. But there are also not that genetically influenced things like are you going to be fat or not; yes, some people may burn calories slower than others or something like this, but if you keep low-calorie diet and if you do the right sports no matter how easy you get fat, you're not going to be a fat person. The muscles -- well, there are people who're luckier, because of the better frame, they just genetically have got the bigger bones, bigger muscles and some of them do build muscles easier but there is no person who try to gym-maxx and take the right food and drinks and stays the same all the time. At least 1 cm gain you will have at some point.

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Re: Why is America so obsessed with IQ?

« on: April 25, 2023, 06:32:24 AM »

for new generations, the weighs of height and face are way heavier than money.

I think for all generations good-looking is better for falling in love than just money. The problem is that new or old, no female will stay with you if you're homeless, you don't pay her bills at least A-A and you're not providing her. Some Chinese women even want you to give money to their parents. Try having a girl-friend in China only with height and face and see how long she's with you (if she start to at all).

No, seriously, find a handsome dude and make him to invite a girl saying that he's jobless, not going to pay dinners and no car, only pure love, walking in the parks, sitting and talking at home and drinking home-made tea... See how many girls will say "No problem, 帅哥就够了啊！"

 And let Liam read how many Chinese females (from different generations) honestly are saying "I don't like poor males." ("我不喜欢穷的男人。"): https://www.baidu.com/s?ie=utf-8&f=3&rsv_bp=1&tn=cnopera&wd=我不喜欢穷的男人&oq=%25E6%2588%2591%25E4%25B8%258D%25E5%2596%259C%25E6%25AC%25A2%25E7%25A9%25B7&rsv_pq=ad47c81400021810&rsv_t=b160OSxOc8B2UnBw2x%2FSq3QRxPNhj2xf8w%2BXIH6YT88tbx5dPcm3rKgS3IS%2FQA&rqlang=cn&rsv_enter=1&rsv_dl=ts_1&rsv_sug3=1&rsv_sug1=1&rsv_sug7=100&rsv_sug2=1&rsv_btype=t&prefixsug=%25E6%2588%2591%25E4%25B8%258D%25E5%2596%259C%25E6%25AC%25A2%25E7%25A9%25B7&rsp=1&rsv_sug4=11634

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / No, I didn't

« on: April 25, 2023, 06:27:07 AM »

哲学家 was implying IQ test only has pattern-recognization items

Here, this reminds me another Chinese young man who said that he should protect China against me because I told him I dislike the current president. For him "You said you don't like 1 Chinese man." = "You're against all China."  Here the logic flaw is similar -- I gave an EXAMPLE (double example) with a type/types of IQ questions and school subjects. (And it was:

To know if someone answers well about "Which object comes next?" (like in this one: ) or to know how well a person learned the subject "Logic" (the logic marks) in school? Or to know that someone found where is the triangle out of the squares compared to know his/her "Geometry" marks?

) but the logic flaw brought us to the point where I am "implying IQ test only has pattern-recognization items". Liam, a quick question for you: if I say that "Rabbits are smaller than cars." are you making the conclusion that I am "implying" all the fauna has got only rabbits?
 No, it's okay, I am not a specialist about the IQ tests. I majored in Philosophy (Bachelor's) and Philosophical Anthropology (Master's). I learn about the human intelligence, behavior, brain, relationship with the animals, emotions and so on, but we didn't go into details about the IQ tests so I do admit you know the matter much better. I only underline again that the point wasn't what you got -- the point was that when I want to understand better the intellect and the nature of a person, I choose to see his/her marks than his/her IQ test. The marks (if they're objective) can show me more than the IQ test. And you know why? Exactly because for the good grades you need: more knowledge, more hard work, more EQ, more motivation... and as you noticed "because he/she does not try"...
 More, it's maybe true for some that "People tend to have a static IQ along the life after their intelligences finish developing", but I disagree that this is a rule for everybody. People who're active learners and do efforts may improve their intelligence more and more; it's "never finish". (Thinking of the IQ as static is very "a la black-pill": "no chance to improve", "it's over", "never begins" and other metaphysical, non-dialectical statements.)
 Here some more articles about it:

• The Fallacy Of A Fixed IQ -- "... the way that we classify, categorize, taxonomize, and access knowledge can be improved as we age, and thus our IQ scores can definitely increase (and decrease, if we don’t keep our brains actively improving!)."
• William Klemm, Ph.D., is a senior professor of Neuroscience at Texas A&M University: No, Your IQ Is Not Constant

They correlate with each other of course but not strongly, at least not as strongly as many people think that if you have high grades your IQ is high, or only if your IQ is high you can have high grades.

This you got right. Nobody is saying that "IQ test = grades", we're talking about the correlations, the overlapping. Higher IQ --> better chance for higher grades --> reinforcing the IQ (see Pygmalion effect) It's like the money, height and face: being rich doesn't provide you 100% high success rate but being poor (like carless, homeless, etc.) decreases your chances of having a love partner nearly 100%, hence the money is a necessity nowadays because in the capitalistic world (or neofeudal in some parts, but the money also matters there) the females are materialistic and clever enough to avoid getting trapped in poverty. A money-maxxed Melvin has more chances to get a partner than a beggar Chad. And from the other perspective -- being tall and handsome provides you more initial opportunities to find some better income, to be more welcomed for better jobs, etc. Here we have also got this reinforcement, correlation and so on.

IQcels have more excuses to be suffering from inferior complexities.

If they're high IQcel, then they can use all this insecurities (inferiority complexes) as a motivation to self-improve themselves. For example, I was afraid I am too slim (some honest girls told me) and I started to gain weight. Later when I was too fat, there were new honest girls who said that I have to lose weight and to build muscle mass and there I am: gym-maxxed myself, sport-maxxing non-stop... or when I felt I don't know enough 汉字（Chinese characters）, I just started to learn more (every day 1-2 new characters) and now my Chinese already is already around "HSK 4" level. The moroncels and other low IQ males who were in bad shape and who didn't know Chinese well, now are the same ugly-bodied men (dad-bod types) and their Chinese level is only "HSK 1"... So, as you can see, if you try harder and never stop, the results are showing up, gradually.

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Other topics / Re: End of the line for a model railway fan

« on: April 25, 2023, 04:00:31 AM »

 I went often to watch the trains with my grandfather.

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Other topics / Re: OMG!

« on: April 25, 2023, 03:58:20 AM »

OMG art. It's good. Share them, can you?

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Other topics / Километрични 20

« on: April 25, 2023, 03:25:19 AM »

Километричности, какво да ги правиш...

а той нещо и не се сработва с китайците, за цяла година само с мен основно дружи, от време на време с други виетнамци и почти никак с китайците

то не само виетнамците, виж че и мен каръщината ме гони доста време
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Ами те може и да не са ти казвали, но на мен са ми казвали (няколко виетнамеца и виетнамки), че много мразели китайците (в по-голямата си част, де, не е задължително 100%). Затова и може това да е основния му мотив. Иначе те са си почти едно и също, както руснаци и украинци, ама се мразят.

Подчертавам, че това е само от външна гледна точка, т. е. за някой може почти да няма разлика между виетнамци и китайци, но разликите са стотици. А пък след войната между Русия и Украйна, макар украинците да си остават източно-славянски народ като руснаците, разликите станаха още по-големи, защото украинците все повече се солидаризират като отделна нация, стават по-прозападни, залягат повече над родния си език и избягват руския, и прочее обособявания.

не е дори до националност

ами той не ги харесва, разбира се 
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Ти и аз сме особени случаи - нас не ни брой въобще. 
При нас си е, защото сме много "специални"...

(Тук съм имал предвид предната тема, за невървежа; под "специални" в кавички, имам предвид "капризни".)
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но са странна комбинация, след като не се харесват защо едните ходят да учат или работят при другите

 
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Ами, защото в Китай има повече възможности за виетнамците, а пък за китайците - за бизнес - повече във Виетнам. Нещо като българите, които мразят и плюят гърците, ама много им е гот да ходят на работа и почивки в Гърция.
(Имам предвид тази част от българите, които мразят гърците. Не всички ги мразят, нещо повече - има дори гръкофили. Аз дори познавах един такъв; добър човек беше.
 Просто съм направил аналогия, за да обясня, че не е задължително някой да прелива от обич към даден народ и/или държава, за да си прави бизнеса или почивката там. Просто някои хора не смесват бизнеса с политиката или пък екскурзиите с личната неприязън.)

При нас има много проблеми (обективни като не много качествените бащи, НО и субективни - не сме като останалите хора в доста отношения и това ни пречи... )

Твърдо честен и обективен. Такъв се стремя да бъда.
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дам, но заслугата на татковците не е малка
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То оттам се почва (и за много хора 100% стига) - да те подсигурят поне с 1 бизнес и си окей. Ама като няма, вече става лошото...
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абе и да не те подсигурят ама поне да не ти пречат и да не действат срещу синовете, или поне да не са безотговорни и да опитват да са малко полезни
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Е, полезни... За пълнене на сайта на Зукърбърг със съдържание за без пари моят е полезен. За мен - не е полезен. 
И твоя баща, ако преброиш, ще видиш, че е бил много полезен за разни там приятели, дами... 
Полезни - за който не трябва...

Зависи полезността спрямо кой е. В случая, говорим по-обобщено, в деонтологичен план.
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моят е полезен за магазините за свинско 

Ааа, то това е "второ ниво" на полезност - при моят пък ракиите и водките печелят...
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Тъпа работа...
И честита ти Коледата, ако празнуваш - аз не празнувам такива работи.

Главната ми мисъл беше, че има родители, които като ти осигурят поне малък семеен бизнес (например една бакалия или пък малък ресторант), ти просто го продължаваш и не си тровиш живота да мислиш за пари, когато можеш да го отдадеш на изкуство, наука, удоволствия... Но, когато родителите харчат време и пари за други неща/хора, не винаги сам можеш да се справиш с бизнеса, защото то се иска начален капитал.
 Колкото до Коледа - ами нямам против приказното (еленчета, джуджета, Снажанка), но от религиозното страня, защото не обичам религиозности.
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аха
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Преди малко звъняха от полицията тук - сменили са реда - освен, че си вземаш визата, после трябва и да се регистрираш лично в РПУ-то тук. Не знам защо (и в други държави го има това) не могат директно да им изпратят информацията от централата, ама поне не е голям проблем.

То на теб сигурно не ти е много полезно това знание, защото си имаш виза с години напред. А и тази сигурно ти е последната за Китай?
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ами аз само първия път имах безплатна за три години, след това всичко е за по една година и е 800 юана за година, на мен последния път ми взеха 400 защото не ми се връзва една година до юли... и да, всеки път след визата се регистрирам в местното районно, и така си е поначало, само дето районното го местят всеки път на различно място, явно им е за спорт
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Ясно. Значи тук просто по-късно са го въвели.

А, ако искаш - пускай новината във Фейсбука: 4-ти канадец арестуван в Китай: http://www.seo-forum-seo-luntan.com/other-languages/eo-e-eo-o/msg39891/#msg39891
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явно

а тоя с наркотиците нещо не е добре нацелил дейността и мястото... с ти мерника на канадците ли си вдигнал или е просто съвпадение?

(Явно и очевидно е, че да се занимаваш с наркотици не е добра дейност, но бих казал, че на всяко място е така по света и всички, който дори си помисля за такова "занимание" би трябвало да се откаже.
 Колкото до канадците - аз нямам нищо против тях. Нямам никакви шовонистични настроения.)
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Просто пиша новините за арестуваните в Китай и ги споделям, за да дойдат читатели и да изкарам някой цент от Гугъл-рекламите. Нямам контакти с канадци отдавна.

А и тези центове ги делим, ако някой е любопитен, та съвсем нищо не изкарвам откъм сериозни пари, но това е положението. Живот и здраве, като се заимам с по-печеливши офлайн и онлайн бизнеси, ще може да се похваля, а не да се оплаквам.
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ясно
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... - чисто споделяне, за да има посещаемост, защото съм беден и всеки цент е ценност за мен. Канадци, американци, японци - все ми е едно...

Почнах да пиша и въпросите до онези сйтове, които с тебе се съгласихме, че може да се закупят.

Виж текста и кажи нещо да променям ли? Включително, ако видиш и някоя грешка на руски, защото аз не го знам граматически добре.
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Руският фонетично и лексикално ми е добър; граматично - пооправих го и това, но като цяло не ми е добра граматиката на руски. Тя си е сравнително-сложна, с тези многото падежи. Както и да е.

Пускам го така, че имам и други неща, да не губя време с това само.
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ами да, ще те разбере

А относно това - ами ставаше дума да закупим някой (или няколко) сайта с добра посещаемост, но така и не намерихме продаващи.
 Това е...