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SEO - SOCIAL NETWORK => Social network | SEO - Social network => Topic started by: SEO on February 27, 2016, 05:38:08 AM

Title: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: SEO on February 27, 2016, 05:38:08 AM
Hi! I want to announce here something that scared me almost to death! You know me and you know I'm not that easy to get scared, so you understand the seriousness of the problem here.
A member of our omnilogy forum (a very good member, who impressed me much and I post this primary and mostly for him, because I'm afraid he's not going to check his PMs anymore, but I hope he may take a look at our public thread here) sent me a PM, where he expressed his disappointment about his images in the posts. I'll keep his anonymity and I'll only give you the content of his PM:
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I wanted to take a moment of your time to explain why I am leaving.  It doesn't do much good to help a site unless you actually give the whys so it can improve. I've a long, long, time of experience on forums. It is just the software that I had to familiarize myself with and that could have been handled with not much issue other than using it.

I tend to try to be a good netizen to a site. To improve rather than just be there. My issue here is that I included images from Wikipedia that were deleted from the articles. Now, I read the rules so that I might have some clues as to what not to do. But no where did I find that some images were ok to stay and others were not with the exception of what seemed to be copyright issues. But Wiki material is not a copyright issue, they are instead under Creative Commons so that anyone can use them. My issue here isn't really the deletions.

The issue is there is no way to obey the rules, when they are not stated what they are to be enforced. I received no pm to tell me what I did wrong. I can't correct that without it. So the remaining option is apparently to delete at random or at whim.

Images make a post. Many will not go to the hyperlink when provided but they will look at the eye candy. I'm not sure what the problem is with communications but it is indeed lacking.

I wish you the best on your continued well being.

Regards,
XXX


This is my 2 fast answers to him, which I hope are useful for everyone, who had this issue and I really hope, if you have something like this TO REPORT THE PROBLEMS HERE!:

My 2nd PM:
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NO DELETED IMAGES! BROWSER or VPN problem in your side?

OH MY GOSH, Mr. XX, You scared me to death! ::) I checked through some browsers your images are totally here, totally okay. My best guess is your browser isn't good and you may try another one/or your VPN isn't showing some of the images? 100% technical issue here! I was ready to ban or at minimum to de-admin and de-mod each and everyone, who deleted your photos! But the only edit is done by xx's wife in 'Art' by your request. None of your other 58 posts were edited. I may provide the edit logs to prove you this.

Waiting for your reply
Best regards!

My 1st PM:
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WHO, THE HELL, DELETED YOUR IMAGES? I WILL CHECK NOW!

HEY, I WONDER WHO, THE HELL, DELETED YOUR IMAGES? WE USE THE WIKIPEDIA'S IMAGES ALL TIME LONG AND WE KNOW IT'S TOTALLY OKAY! I WILL SEE WHO DELETED AND I WILL DE-ADMIN or DE-MOD HIM/HER RIGHT NOW!


 Once again: please, if some of our active members has this problem, let me know at once! (I just don't want to 'spam' the PM's of all the members here. Just the active ones, who will read it, please let me/let us know if you have any image problem and I'll take all the necessary measures possible. I don't want to disappoint you!)
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: MSL on February 27, 2016, 05:46:10 AM
 1. I have no problems with the images (except these hosted in some limited to China websites, I suppose).
 2. I can see all of the Wikipedia's images, no problems (currently) with Wikipedia in China.
 3. And I know who is the member in question, I'm terribly sorry to see him leaving, because he didn't know that it's very obvious nobody edited his posts (every time, there is a notice, when a post is edited -- for example something is removed. Even a single dot removed leaves a message. So, it's very obvious there were no edits, as far as I can see. PLEASE, EDIT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE THIS, for example add a smiley in the end to show the readers, visitors, members here, how does it look an edited post!)
 :)
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: SEO on February 27, 2016, 05:49:33 AM
Edit done. Good idea. The edit looks in this way:
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« Last Edit: Today at 05:47:30 AM by SEO »
When you see something in this form, all of you dear members, should know that something was changed in your post. We can't edit invisibly!
Title: I informed him
Post by: MSL on February 27, 2016, 06:03:58 AM
Quote from: SEO on February 27, 2016, 05:49:33 AM
Edit done. Good idea. The edit looks in this way:
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« Last Edit: Today at 05:47:30 AM by SEO »
When you see something in this form, all of you dear members, should know that something was changed in your post. We can't edit invisibly!

 In the spirit of the deep respect and keeping the persons' privacy, I'd just inform you, that I informed him via another website, where we are registered members (not important which is that website). I sent to him and to another member (who is close to him, as I know) messages, which I'll quote here, because we need transparency (only the nicknames are edited, in order to keep their privacy):
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Private message: A copy, to be sure X will read it
[–] Georgi3 seconds ago
Please, show it to X, if you can, because I'd like to be sure he will read it: THE COPY: Private message: A private message to X [–] X 5 seconds ago Hello! I missed you and I wondered what's going on, until now! Shortly: It's a misunderstanding, because your images are all the time there; nobody edited your messages and you just have some computer or connection problem. There is an official announcement about this (keeping your privacy), please take a look: http://www.seo-forum-seo-luntan.com/social-network-seo-social-network/about-the-imagesphotospicturespics-problems/msg26757/#msg26757
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Private message: A private message to X
[–] X 2 minutes ago
Hello! I missed you and I wondered what's going on, until now! Shortly: It's a misunderstanding, because your images are all the time there; nobody edited your messages and you just have some computer or connection problem. There is an official announcement about this (keeping your privacy), please take a look: http://www.seo-forum-seo-luntan.com/social-network-seo-social-network/about-the-imagesphotospicturespics-problems/msg26757/#msg26757
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Well, I did my best. I wish everything to be with a happy end! This is what I call 'drama'. (No offense, just a friendly comment!):)
Title: A photo of the Sun from Wikipedia
Post by: Alexa on February 27, 2016, 06:53:47 AM
I do agree about that everyone, who is deleting something, without giving the necessary information must be punished like de-moderator and/or ban, but here the delete without information is impossible. I want to post a photo from Wikipedia here for checking, if someone can have the problem mentioned above (invisible images from Wikipedia in this forum). It is a photo of the Sun: By HalloweenNight - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=44873108(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Sun_in_February.jpg/800px-Sun_in_February.jpg)
 I can see it. Hope you see it as well! :-*
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: MSL on February 27, 2016, 06:55:38 AM
 Yes.
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: Gay on February 27, 2016, 06:17:01 PM
And what if he or she was ashamed to ask such a simple question and to make such a wrong conclusion for our moderation and administration? If he or she is now embarrassed or guilty because of his or her action to doubt and to made this 'wrongful execution'? ??? It's totally like miscarriage of justice, which here is the groundless accusations of the moderation and administration for an action we did not commit.
Thanks God, he or she let us know what's the 'reason', because I don't wanna think or imagine about how many active users we lost, lose or will lose, just because something they think we did, and we never did, never do and will never do.
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: PageRank on February 27, 2016, 06:28:30 PM
Quote from: Internet on February 27, 2016, 06:17:01 PM
And what if he or she was ashamed to ask such a simple question and to make such a wrong conclusion for our moderation and administration? If he or she is now embarrassed or guilty because of his or her action to doubt and to made this 'wrongful execution'? ??? It's totally like miscarriage of justice, which here is the groundless accusations of the moderation and administration for an action we did not commit.
Thanks God, he or she let us know what's the 'reason', because I don't wanna think or imagine about how many active users we lost, lose or will lose, just because something they think we did, and we never did, never do and will never do.
Take it easy, pals!!! 8) There are logs, it's nothing easier than that an admin to take a screenshot and to show clearly nobody is playing around to edit or delete Wikipedian images. Who the heck will waste time and why?
And 'what if'? A joke for you:
A: You bite my wife's neck! >:( I don't wanna see you anymore! >:( >:(
B: Please, believe me, I didn't! I even didn't know you are already married! :o
A: Really? I'll check this out! >:(
A few days later...
A: Sorry, pal! I saw a mosquito bite her. Not your fault. But, you know, the bad feeling about you is going to be in my heart like forever, so... I don't wanna see you anymore!
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: Non-SEO on February 28, 2016, 12:42:06 AM
Hey, wait. Someone may say that we deleted all his (her) posts. Then what? Everyone has own right to say jokes. All we can do is to have enough sense of humor.
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: PTC on February 28, 2016, 03:31:26 AM
I can add one more theory: Maybe it is just a test? Or a part of some online study?  :D
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: SEO on February 28, 2016, 11:28:59 PM
So what? Nobody else has this problem?
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: MSL on February 29, 2016, 12:46:27 AM
Quote from: SEO on February 28, 2016, 11:28:59 PM
So what? Nobody else has this problem?
I used our tablet today in a local KFC (wi-fi). I opened exactly this thread. The photo of the Sun is visible. I checked some other threads -- the photos/images are visible. Yesterday my father reported me that from Bulgaria it's visible and okay, too. We don't need to worry about it. NO PROBLEM HERE!
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: MSL on February 29, 2016, 05:24:07 AM
 I want to confirm, that I sent them again 2 more messages and it's my LAST attempt to inform them and to let them know the truth about this 'problem'. This is how:

1. To him:
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Private message: My last attempt
[–] Georgi4 seconds ago
No deleted images, no edited posts. Your PC somehow can not see them, but from China, from Bulgaria, from Chinese wi-fi in KFC and from other locations, there are completely visible. If you want -- welcome back. This is my last attempt. We deleted here and reposted everything, because we're not going to be a part of Skimur, where the KKK, Nazi and others are welcomed! Soon I'm leaving here in 100%.
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To the person, who knows him:
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Private message: Did you get my message? Tell him NO DELETED IMAGES!
[–] Georgi2 minutes ago
I sent it already, let me sent it once more, because I didn't get any answer: SHORTLY: NO DELETED IMAGES. NO EDITED POSTS! Every image is THERE! He got somehow WRONG IMPRESSION, that someone deleted/edited his images. It's NOT true. Everything is there. This is my last attempt.
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Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: SEO on February 29, 2016, 06:00:36 PM
Okay, I'm very happy to see that nobody reported missing images problem here, except one person, which privacy we keep (as usual). It's good to know all is okay. I only wanted to get sure all of you understood that I didn't found any edit in the images in question (and the thread about the image problem was/is private, because we avoid the dramatizations and, as I said above right now, we do respect the privacy and never shared IPs or nicks of people, who PM us with problems like this one.) It's good to see all of you, or almost all, here again!
Let me give you a link, which if you didn't know earlier will be a sort of virtual gift: this site -- http://browsershots.org is about checking how your post/webpage/website/etc. looks like in different browsers (and maybe from different locations around the world? I'm not sure about it, but no matter the location, even only 1 different it's enough, because you'll have at minimum 2 'points of view'). A current example: you can't see a linked image from Wikipedia and then you may copy and paste the URL of your post (topic; thread) in browsershots.org, and then it will show you, if others (or at least another one) can't see it or it's just you. I love that service very much (and it's free)! It's not related to our forum/community and I have no contacts with their owner or owners; I just think it may be very useful for your on-line activity.
Best wishes! :)
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: mojo on March 01, 2016, 03:51:20 AM
I thank you all for the anonymity but it's not necessary in this case. I'm the one who wrote about the missing photos in the post. It was not the deletion that bothered me but rather no explanation. As I had mentioned earlier in a pm, nothing is written in stone on the internet. What bothered me was there was no way to  benefit from it because no explanation.

Come to find out, it didn't happen. But some of the images were there and some weren't. I photoedited them to make sure they fit the forum size formats. No big deal but much nicer to see an image you don't have to scroll to take it all in. No big deal on that part, I do that for a better looking post.

Honestly I'm new here and will use this as a learning experience.

Much respect to the way this was handled in the public side. Speaks very much of 'professionalism' if there is such a thing in a forum.

If I have caused any upset, hurt anyone's feelings, allow me to apologize to you. It was never the intention to create a shit storm and that was why a pm and no post about. It's how you handle things like this.
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: SEO on March 01, 2016, 02:18:38 PM
                       Hi there!
 First of all, please don't think something bad happend. It was just my moment-long anger that (maybe) someone really hacked the forum or someone didn't tell me about some deleted images (which is important! I remind it to you all, who has the power to edit/delete here!). Now I see all is fine and we're all good as usual. 8) 8) 8)
You don't have to wait at all, when you need to know something about your post, tell us at once and we can check as soon as possible!
I have got another idea how to know if your image/images is/are really there: you can quote yourself and add something more (more content, like 1-2 more sentences). In the quoted text you can see all your links, bb-codes, etc.. I'll post more about it in the thread here now.
 Let's say I post this: "Hello, I'm here and this is very nice to see you here too! See this ladybug photograph: (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Ladybird_coccinella_septempunctata.jpg/1024px-Ladybird_coccinella_septempunctata.jpg)By Charlesjsharp - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=29071280. That's all. See you!", then if I quote it, it will look like this (before I post it):
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Hello, I'm here and this is [b]very nice[/b] to see you here too! See this ladybug photograph: [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Ladybird_coccinella_septempunctata.jpg/1024px-Ladybird_coccinella_septempunctata.jpg[/img][sup]By Charlesjsharp - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=29071280[/sup]. That's all. See you!. In fact, you don't need even to make a new post. You can just quote to see how it looks like and then close it and go to do something else around. :)
 
 So, well... thanks for posting again so good posts here! Now most of us in China and around are working I think, but definetely tonight we'll read and comment your posts! Have a nice morhing/day/evining/night! 8)
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: 英语课 on March 01, 2016, 02:25:44 PM
Very happy to meet you online over here again! :) I kept silent, because I am the one, who edited only the post you requested me to edit and nothing else and I wanted to protect your privacy. But now you're here and you're open for the community, so I decide to take some time and to show my respect to you. We had the chance to see the edit logs and we saw only 1 edited post (in the thread about SCAM, SCAMMERS, etc.) and it's without images originally. Probably just some minor typo edit. I can quote it for you and for the rest of the members and visitors here:
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Edited "Re: Art" by "mojo"   February 20, 2016, 08:48:07 PM   英语课   SEO Global mod   
Deleted "Re: Art" by "mojo" from "Art"   February 20, 2016, 08:46:32 PM   英语课   SEO Global mod   
Edited "Re: Art" by "mojo"   February 20, 2016, 08:46:20 PM   英语课   SEO Global mod   
Edited "Re: SCAM, SCAMMING, SCAMMER, SCAMMERS, etc." by "mojo"   February 20, 2016, 07:10:48 AM   Alexa   SEO Admin
That's the way it is. :) I am glad to see we're all here and we're peaceful! :D
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: MSL on March 01, 2016, 02:43:40 PM
  Hello, Mojo!!! :)
 Very good to see that you're alright! Currently I can see all your images and we saw the logs (as was mentioned above) -- there are no edited messages, except 1 (one), but it's originally without image, I suppose. I checked the posts from my fathers PC (via TeamViewer), from our PC at home and from a wi-fi in KFC (with a tablet and with a cellphone) -- from everywhere I can see your: space images, art images, the history of the computer images, the recent ones: the most expensive car, a plane...
 I had 2 similar forums like this one -- all of them SMF powered (one of them I sold out for USD 100, the other one is inactive and it's in a free hosting, I don't check it often and in the future, if I have some good idea, I can turn it on again), so I know the 'code' of these forums: the admins can't make secret edits, because after each and everyone a message is showed under the post and it shows WHO and WHEN edited something (for example, if someone really deleted an image or a link, it will show up under there for sure.)
 See you around! I plan to have a nap, because we finished our morning teaching. There will be another -- evening teaching and after that, I hope that I may do some more online presence, including here! :)  See you later!
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: Alexa on March 01, 2016, 02:54:52 PM
Honesty is good!  ;)
Oh, I forgot (almost) for that edit. Yes, it was something like a minor edit; a typo or some more space between the words. Nothing important and no edited images/pics till now so far. :)
I haven't time now, but just to indicate that I felt very well to see you guys 100% OK here! 8)
~~~C u later! :)
Title: Re: About the images/photos/pictures/pics problems
Post by: mojo on March 01, 2016, 07:31:29 PM
I've a reason just to come out, fess up on the board, about who it was. You hear lots about 'free speech' in many places. But that's only 1/2 of it. The other half that is often forgotten is that with that comes responsibility for your speech. You don't just get to say what you want, regardless of how that might hurt others. So, I guess this is a demo of that. I created the fuss wrongly. I should say so. It's the honesty in the end over it that really matters.
Title: Very good, Mojo!
Post by: SEO on March 02, 2016, 12:30:54 AM
Yeah, it's sad that there are so many irresponsible people around the world. I do respect the responsibility a lot! Very good answer, Mojo!
Title: Freedom and responsibility
Post by: MSL on March 02, 2016, 01:32:09 AM
 I totally do agree about the relationship freedom-responsibility. And because now the image question is solved, let me be semi-offtopic: there was a person in voat.co, who is thinking that can send personal criminal threads against us and our family. He left voat.co very disappointed and he showed some problems over there I didn't know about them. You have the opportunity to check it out, without visiting voat.co (I know you don't visit it anymore, but you don't mind to be informed about it). Here is a copy of his farewell post + some comments of mine, of course. If you or another one is interested and missed it -- the link is: http://www.seo-forum-seo-luntan.com/social-network-seo-social-network/is-voat-co-going-to-be-a-new-internet-leading-website/msg26727/#msg26727
 :)