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Normal Incels (Incels Without Hate) => A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) => Topic started by: MSL on August 14, 2022, 08:09:49 PM
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To an incelophobe, a hater, a troll and a lier (J.)
At the beginning I though that it's a good foreign person in China who's willing to help. He contacted me and added me in a group with a Chinese person who tried to find me some work visa job... but since then, this foreigner (a person from West Europe, named or nickname with some "J" name; if he appears here and reads, and dare to join the topic, he may choose to share his exact country and name or not; my purpose isn't to doxx him or somebody else; just to EXPLORE THE TRUTH and to help the pity people).
So, here it is (read and judge by yourselves; he's welcome here too but without his lies and insults, please):
The chat history in 微信（Weixin; a.k.a. WeChat）:
J.: I put u in a grouo with a friend, will see if there is any chance
Group
Me: (handshake)
Hello!
OK, thank you! (handshake)
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Till that moment it was okay. Then I found out that this young man is willing to CONTROL and to OPPOSE, also to RIDICULE and to INSULT. Read and see by yourselves:
J.: Dude, dont argue around... Not going to help.
Teachers here do 8000 to 18000 a month. I guess thats why people are surprised.
Did u take contact with Umberto?
And especially not with her... Will never stop :P
Ok... Just drop it. U really need to upgrade ur social skills...
Later I found out that he do exactly the same, even worse but it's just a part of his double standard attitude mixed with aggression and low level of communication.
Me: Wait, why not to answer them?
It will be rude if they talk to me and I keep silent.
My social skills, well, as far as I know you should answer and respond, not to hide... Maybe we have different backgrounds. I am from a humble socialist family. We understand the moral in this way: keep your word, be responsible AND responsive.
J: What you did isnt a proper answer. You complain around and conront them instead of admit your a bit tense an dhope to fin help around ... In 3 answers you put people that have connections around against you ...
Me: Also, I am not going to hurt you in anyway, don't worry. It's a communication between me and them.
I didn't insult anybody. If they (you) dislike the true answers I give, it's not my problem. I am a good man who is willing to answer and say the truth. Why they are against me?
Don't worry and overthink it. Be happy! (thumb up)
At this point I hoped that he'll stop but seems he was interested to try to troll me more and more.
J.: I dont worry about me. But about you. The community here is very small. And your asnwers doest really call for helping you. Finding a job comes with selling yourself, people need to put trust in you. And not because you are a socialist, no one care that. But how you behave, yeah.
I do understand your position, but complaining isn't helping your case. Especially if you confront the almost only people that have connections around.
Now do as you think, just my advice.
Me: "And your asnwers doest really call for helping you. " -- If I don't answer it will be worse: they will think "Oh, he wasn't really in need. He is ignoring us. What a loser."
"Finding a job comes with selling yourself, people need to put trust in you. " -- THIS IS IT! I PROVE THEM THAT I SPEAK ALWAYS THE TRUTH AND THEY WILL HAVE A MAN WHO WILL SPEAK IN THEIR FACES THE REAL PROBLEMS. I am glad you know it!!! Good point!!!
" And not because you are a socialist, no one care that. But how you behave, yeah. " -- Yes, recently the political minds are narrow and this is not important, but in fact it means a lot. For example a socialist = more empathy. If you think deeply, you'll see it --- better a man who can feel you and to be with a good heart, to be able to pity men and animals... not some 100% capitalist who will only brag about how many cars has and how many whores f*cked... Being a socialist means a lot... At least you, as a French man, should know it because France is the reason for freedom and socialism (at least 50%) and we, the non-French, love you guys for your revolution, progress ideas and so on.
"I do understand your position, but complaining isn't helping your case. Especially if you confront the almost only people that have connections around. " -- Well, I just ADD SOME INFO to theirs. For example that girl said I only sell bottles AND I added "No, dear, I am also a writer, a poet, a philosopher, a webmaster, a socialist." This is the point TO ADD knowledge. It's the Socrates method, you know? Who said Socrates was a troll or something? I just use this method: add the knowledge... For example that guy with the GDP, I also added the GINI knowledge...
Yeah, maybe now they're not going to value it, but in future they will say "Oh, the Bulgarian was right". Most of you are young people, later you will know. When I was 28 I was the same... Now I am 47 almost... and I am thankful to all those elders who ADDED knowledge to my own.
Umberto? If he is Da Ge Zi - yes.
His ideas are a bit idealistic but I will hear him... things he speaks I already tried around 2006 in China... nothing works if you have no capital... I even tried own school with a Chinese partner... capital, capital, capital... that's what they want. No capital = no success... So, at least, to find a job as a janitor or something...
"Teachers here do 8000 to 18000 a month. I guess thats why people are surprised. " -- Sure. BUT I am not a teacher anymore. (I have only part-time students... that's why I have to help myself with some additional things like empty cans and bottles for RMB 2 a bag... dealing with the hunger...)
J: Being socialist isn't a shield you can hide behind.
If you can't see how your words could do you wrong, its going to be complicated to explain you.
You're not a webmaster, you dont have the skills to do Pr, you don't have stong social skills (which blocks a lot of customers oriented jobs...)
In order to fully let me brag about my philosophy and rethoric skills we should meet for a beer. Not a fan of online chatting. But love to argue around.
Anyway, was just some advices. I came in china with 4000 euros without any real idea of the futur. Im nearly 40, so the youngster ad nominem attack doesnt really apply (unfortunately) on me I guess.
Me: "And especially not with her... Will never stop " -- It's okay. I like the long conversations. And also, later I can use them for some of my new articles or books. It's a good material.
J.: If you're really dealing with hunger, ill happily invite u for a drink and food, but you should seriously consider another plans. Nothing is so quick here to solve that kind of problems.
Me: "a shield you can hide behind. " -- I don't hide. I just speak it like "I am from Bulgaria.' It's a fact to share. I am not thinking of it as a shield. What shield? If it was a shield in China, till now, I could be a Party member. They even don't accept foreigners in the CCP. So sad...
J.: I understand but while looking for a job, skills are the main point. The others are discriminating points only.
Me: "If you can't see how your words could do you wrong, its going to be complicated to explain you. " -- You mean some mafia or some dangerous guys in the group who harm people only because of the opinion (free speech)? Maybe there are. I know some foreigners here surely are agents and bad ones. I am not so naive. But I hope Chinese police is good enough to protect us, the good men.
"You're not a webmaster" -- I am an amateur webmaster. I have 16 websites. Do you want to see some?
(And linked to one of the websites I made myself. Unfortunately, later I found out that he wants to attack and ridicule all of my work and achievements, not only the websites. He's this type of person who feels okay when speaks to others that they're nothing special and they suck. Full of himself, not good in understanding the knowledge and a liar as you may notice later!)
J.: Yes, sure, that was my first company when i arrived in.hong kong
Me: This shows your own IP. Not tracking you... I bet 90% of the people in the world CAN'T make a website like this. Yes, it's SIMPLE, but for the commoners it's a "wow, man"... You're right - no python, no java = not good enough. But for an amateur - it's okay.
I wanted to tell her that I am also making websites, writing poems, etc. Not just a selling bottles beggar... I am just not lucky to find an income in nowadays China... Not that I am a low-class person. I am from a family of doctors, socialists and war heroes... I am well-educated... just poor and they think "A loser." Most of the people aren't clever enough to see "Oh, he is not just a poor, he is also A, B, C, D..." They jump to conclusions. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_to_conclusions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_to_conclusions))
J.: so its not at job level, not even 10 years ago. Sorry. Not speaking of the webdesign... You took the code from someone else and paste it in... Just checked the code.
Well, i do understand where your struggles come from. Just drop it.
(By the way in his website the code is also HTML it starts with <!DOCTYPE html><html lang=cn-CN> and finishes with $('a').juizScrollTo('slow');
</script>
</body>
</html>.
Just telling him that I also saw that his webmaster's skills aren't very high as well... And to let you all know that he's nothing special in making websites too.)
Me: "you don't have stong social skills" -- I have HONEST and FRANK social skills. This is enough to be proud of myself. I am not going to be a liar, a cheater, a jester... just to make people to "believe" I am who I am not. The CLEVER AND GOOD ones will value what I am. The rest -- Thanks God (as a figure of speech, I am an atheist) that they dislike me. I avoid dishonest guys.
J.: When everyone wrongs u, maybe the pb comes from u.
Me: "my philosophy and rethoric skills" -- cool, but my point is not to win a dialogue... I am just like Socrates: You say what you think, I help you, you help me -- and we find the TRURH together... For example, now you speak I lack of social skills and I explain you -- yes, maybe so, but still I have those, ancient and moral social skills, which are decent and I will stick to it, but I am still thankful that you're telling me "Man, you're too honest, not going to work with those men around." This is the way to adjust the knowledge...
"youngster ad nominem attack" -- The Socrates method isn't about 'I attack and win'... It's not a Napoleon vs Russia.... no... I just wanted to say that most of the guys here are young and can't value the info I give them but later they will. (I .e. I positively speak that the guys later will be happy about what we chat now...) 0% attack, 0% insults... just "Young people, but I am touched. They will know more one day... I am learning from them new things too"...
Oh... I came in China with only 10 euros and sold 2 golden rings (my mother's who died back then) to buy plane ticket. One way...
I met a scammer in China... didn't pay me first salary...
Later a friend helped me to find a real employer...
And I started to receive 7000 per month... then this new law... and jobless again...
Some guys said: "Serves good to you! Why didn't you go to Japan? To Canada? China?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is your fault, philosopher! HAHAHA!"... And I am afraid they're right... but nobody knows the future... maybe I made a wrong choice... but I love China so much...
Thank you! I mean I feel a bit hungry because I eat only 1-2 vegetables and some tea, usually... but I'm okay. At least lost 50 kilos, I was a fat man... Now I am building up some better body, I hope... But yes, we'll see, I will have an interview on Tuesday... One person agreed to hire me, probably, for RMB 3200.
your 1st company in HK was related to the Omnilogy forum?
(I think it was one of his lies. Like the one that you will read about later, when he claims that I am sort of dangerous without any proofs! >:(
If he was related in HK with this forum I could 100% know it. We're not related with anything in HK. We're China-Bulgaria-USA based.)
"When everyone wrongs u, maybe the pb comes from u." -- According to one of the best Bulgarian professors 80% of the men are not clever so, usually it's not the case.
I believe him because it's like the Pareto principle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle).
Maybe you noticed it too; you sound clever abouve the average: When you talk to people did you notice that they don't know simple (for us) things like: "Where is Andorra? And Bhutan?", "What is the "consent age""?", "Who are the incels?", "What is child-free?", "Who is Kant?" and "Are all stars suns or not?"...
Most of the people are just thinking and communicating in echo-chambers (also called "information balloons" by another scientist) and have no idea what's really going on around... I met a man who thinks that Bulgaria is Malaysia... and another who thinks that Japanese language is English language (sister languages)... so... the mass isn't educated.
Where my struggles come... Well, a word: Hongkong you said... you was there... you saw -- even some Indians, Nepali and so on may work in hotels, to be wash-dishers, etc. Here? I even can't be a cleaner. Let's say: protectionism in PRC. This is it. They just don't want foreigners who're not rich enough and who're not sky-rocket educated in fields that will help China to be number 1 in the world and to overpass USA.
J: Thats a very capitalistic concept... You know, "just do it", self empowerement ... But anyway.
As you say my background is French, and the French philosophy is rooted in the fact of explaining things in simple ways. So, people can have concepts without references. Looking down isn't helping much. You're discour is very condescendant and very passive aggressive. That may be the main blocking point around.
And yes China protect their low level labors. Nothing wrong with it...
I wish France does the same, would helped much more some countries to developp, instead of "stealing" their youg working force...
Me: Well, comparing with all those Westerners who non-stop online insult, troll, fight, use dirty words, etc. I am an angel. Of course, some positive aggressive is there, I can't be a 100% non-aggressive and to be so-called "omega male"... I just keep some higher level of manners and at the same time 100% truth... otherwise I am lost. The truth is my last home...
French philosophy is good. I am a Marxist. So I value that + the German and the Russian ones... plus some of the Chinese dialectics.
Well, good for Chinese, bad for me and good guys like me...
They just literally push us away... and then we have to go to Cambodia or Thailand...
Later many of us will stop love China... but who cares? The world is selfish... most of the people are. I am learning to be more selfish too, recently...
J.: You dare to complain when you did have a proper education ? Not very socialist of you. You just complain a lot, everyone is bad, you are good etc... Guess its time to reread some classics.
Me: Just wanted to tell you - if I am in HK or Macao I may have a good job... but my loyalty to China and socialism made me poor and pity... so, maybe I was wrong to come here... that's what they speak... even Chinese guys: "Are you stupid?! China doesn't give you anything and you're still here?!" But it's my last try... If I don't get the Green card I will leave it next year... maybe Cambodia, I don't know...
What I complain? I am thankful to my ex-socialist country for my FREE education.
Socialism was great - free education, hospitals, libraries... I had a perfect childhood.
Then USA came and ... we lost all...
Never said everyone is bad. Just said most of the people are selfish. Otherwise you can't explain the world problems. If everyone was a true socialist... we'll already reach the stars...
Classics? Well, Marx and Engels do complained more than me... I just complain 1 thing -- I got education and skills and love to China... and I am a non-criminal... and I haven't job... That's all... I even don't complain my poor diet and do not accept dinners or something... Really: I ONLY need a job. A LEGAL job... If you was poor and jobless ... what? You also will say "I need a job." But it's not a complain stuff, it's just a fact... I wish you never to be jobless and to feel what's the burden. (thumb up)
“instead of "stealing" their youg working force...” -- Good point but against the Human rights. According to UN everyone is free to choose where to move, to live... For example, I like China and I don't want to develop Bulgaria (which is now nothing more than a servant of USA) where even your life isn't protected (we have got skinheads, gypsy gangs, illegal weapon holders and so on)... so, it's good if at least people like me are able to move to another place... If you, a French man like China -- welcome to China, but if a Chinese want France and you block him -- not in fair... These are simple basic human rights points. Even in 19th century people were more free to choose where to live and how to move... now the limitations are leading to nowhere... Of course, too liberal is bad. You can't just open the doors for the drug-dealers, killers, etc. But what's wrong if a photographer like you or a philosopher like me live abroad?
J.: Basically you want to enjoy social constructions without contributing. You twist too much facts to make it fit your views. Again, its more drinking time level discussion.
Take that energy to fix your problems, then can enjoy any discussions possible.
Me: "without contributing" IS bad. But who said that I do so? Even now I collect bottles and cans from the street and I do contribute to the Chinese economics (recycle) + to the environment (ecology)... Plus I teach some kids (education)... I do advise people online (especially about the love and sexual problems because I majored in Anthropological Philosophy)... so, I am not like some of those Africans in France who just come to receive your social aid... no, no, no, I am a hard-working man. Non-stop I do something useful for Chinese people and for the world.
"You twist too much facts to make it fit your views. " No.
OK, got it. I'll go to write some articles now. Later -- time for bottle collection at night and sports.
See you around! Have a good evening! (hand shake)
Today I saw him to complain against the anti-COVID 19 measures in China and I decided to show him how double-standard-ed is he.
Me: J. said "Dude, don't argue around... not going to help." + "OK... Just drop it. You really need to upgrade your social skills..." Also J. said: "So they didn't find anything testing 3 millions people and decided to extend... Smart." + "No one die. Like literally zero." + "Elizabeth, stupid question. End of discussion. That was quick."
and I added, to explain him about his double standard and wish to control others that:
So, when it is about another person you think it's not social skilled, but when it's about you -- you can argue even against the government. Hm... Social skills. ;D
Now, just some thing to think about: the double standard. (Don't take it as a personal attack; if I wanted to be like this, I'll say it in the group in front of all of them. ;D
Just purely philosophical between me and you; to make you think that sometimes you HAVE TO STAND your point and still you can have good social skills. (OK) (Thumb up) )
J.: Im not looking for job ...
I read all ur bs. Good laugh definitely need to meet up.
Or meetup-maxx maxx (rofl)
Me: Oh, I see -- the Jimmy's rule: "If you're looking for job, don't respond and to express your opinion."
"bs"?
J.: bullshit, u can add that to ur vocabulary.
big bullshit : bs-maxxmaxx
And no, its called being independant.
Me: That "-maxx" thing is about the incels' jargon. Because my recent books and articles are oriented to males who can't find sex and/or love, I have to use their jargon, in order to be understandable. :D
J.: Oh i know. Had a lot of fun.
Me: Oh, you think that incelology is a bullshit... OK, not surprised...
Well, just for the record, I also do write other type of books:
I showed him my that book ("This is the "bullshit", according to Jimmy and some others") and the other e-books about how to lose weight naturally, about Sinology and about the hygiene. ("But there are also these.")
J.: You lack social skills, and think human interaction as predictable. Your main pb comes from there.
I checked too. dont worry.
Dont worry, i checked. Also the 500 stuff from your friend.
\Fun how people dont notice its mostly invented.
Dont worry told you I checked. Was blocked at home for few days ... Took some time to "discover" your philosophy.
Not that complicated.
Using long phrase to express what other incel express in insult.
Same thing, different words.
And as majored in philosophy, you should be able to see it.
In term of concept, same thing.
Basically, you have lack of empathy and social skills.
Me: So, as you see I'm not only able to write about the incels.
J.: Yeah, and the word hygiene. Seems to be a reccurent thing in your "world" haha
Me: I am just a philosopher with wide points and interests.
J.: You wrote a book about cleaning your hands ?
Or any super concept in it ?
Me: "u can add that to ur vocabulary" -- It's just a slang/internet slang. I speak 7 languages. So, no problem about my vocabularies. 8)
J.: You basically take other people concept. ,twist it to your vision, Change the vocabulary ... And pretend to be clever on internet.
youhou (This in French means "woo-hoo". His English isn't perfect as you noticed but it's normal for a non-native English speaker and it's not a problem for him. His problem is the wish to attack, to insult and to lie about a good person as me. I suppose that if he's doing it against others he's not going to be happy in his life. Nobody likes haters and liars.)
I know, thats why im surprised.
Me: It's good "being independant". I wish you to continue being so... just good luck; because sometimes it's not very sure how long it may last... (thumb up) (For example if someone is too hostile against the government in China... it's just not healthy, you know...)
J.: The whole 'lets go to another country to f**k locals cause its easier concept' was indeed a new one for me. (Here I edited the dirty verb.)
No i dont.
Me: "Oh i know. Had a lot of fun." -- Happy to see a true reader. (thumb up) (hug)
J.: Then I ll go somewhere else. Pity, but doing ok now. Ill ask them later.
Not sure they care much me though
Anyway, finished my coffee. You go have fun.
Me: "You lack social skills, and think human interaction as predictable. Your main pb comes from there." --- I think that you lack more than me because you speak against Chinese government in a Chinese group owned by a woman who works in some very important Chinese government structure... If you think it's wise and skillful, I let you to decide by yourself. (OK)
I just know that being in China = to obey and to not oppose the local laws and government... But if you think otherwise (based on your high university degree, I suppose?) just go for it. :-)
J.: Yeah yeah, dont worry about me, I know her.
Me: "I checked too. dont worry." -- that's what I call "a true reader" (I hope you're not obsessed... but if you are, I can give you more info -- just tell me what you want -- my recent photo is okay too. (handshake) )
J.: Got enough to get the basics. Thanks.
When I got time I will check your counterpart rethoric, they are quite fun too.
Me: "human interaction as predictable" -- I don't. I only think that based on science you can say what is highly likely or unlikely. This is what we call "probability".
"Also the 500 stuff from your friend." -- Cool. (thumb up) ;D
J.: Not really, mass interactions are predictable, not really 1 on 1 interactions. Thats from back in the university. ;p
Me: "\Fun how people dont notice its mostly invented." -- Well, reinvent it... and then you can make some sales, you know... For example those "new" cellphones... this is how the brands work...
Here I meant mostly the ideas and the products that are really already invented and you can improve it. It's not what he things that my works have no any original and new ideas... but he is just hating and can't understand simple philosophical and anthropological ideas, so... sort of no hope for him to get it.
J.: ... Nope... Like not at all. You should rethink what you are doing.
The whole concept is funny.
Hating something that you chase getting advices from people failling to obtain it. Feel wrong isnt it ?
So many times we explained that we're NON-HATE community but how a hater can get it?! And again, he's full of lies -- another one is that we're people failing to obtain it. Even the most low IQ incels said that some of us here are NOT incels and we just study the inceldom... but he'll just say it carelessly... I can't stand this liar! >:(
Me: My philosophy is just the "Atleastism"... trying to help people for low price or even for free to ascend (another slang word)... I did it, they can do it as well. If I can lose weight and to build some muscle mass, they can do it as well... If I can learn so many kung-fu and MMA + science, they can make it too... So, it's simple as that.
J.: And im writing this for the people in your forum, cause "you" seems to love post social interactions in forums ;p
Ascend ... Cant stop to laugh everytime I read it.
Man, your pb is social skills, not your appearance. Otherwise how come people on internet get angry at you too ?
Thats just bullshit you're spreading to others.
Your appearance almost dont come in the equation. How cant you see it...
Its half sad half fun.
Ok, now im really busy. +
Me: Yes, it's not complicated, because I publish it for the popular knowledge of the masses. I also have some pro-aticles full of: dialectics, ontology, "ding an sich" and so on, but it's only for the colleagues... Non-pro ppl can't get it... For example if I talk to you about the ontological aspects of the Napoleonism you'll feel difficult to get it, even you're French and you know that there were a few Napoleons, not just one and there were wars and stuff... Just don't judge my philosophy level based only on some popular books and articles... I even worked before in the Marx-Lenin department of my university for a while...
J.: Non pro cant understand ... This statement should already make you understand... It would mean you need to convert the whole world to apply your thinking... Easier to rethink yourself in my opinion ;p
It's really difficult for people who're not professional philosophers to understand words like "ethology", "analytic and synthetic", ontology, etc. That's why there is professional philosophy and popular philosophy. Of course a person who didn't read enough like him can't get it.
J.: I judged you on your writing. Dont care where you come from. Dont go as low as that.
I can't imagine someone goes lower than him... he thinks I go low... LOL!
Me: "Using long phrase to express what other incel express in insult." -- NO. WE'RE for HATELESS inceldom and dealing with it. Incels without hate. We're against the terrorism of Elliot Rodger and others... You couldn't get it... I exactly do THIS: To teach most of the incels to deal without guns, knives and so on... just to hit the gym, to read books, to practise more fight skills, to change the location, to keep good health... and to avoid problems. Seems it was difficult to get? Not majored in philosophy = not able to see it?
"Basically, you have lack of empathy and social skills." -- Another wrong conclusion of Jimmy... I even protect snails and ants... And I do have empathy to people who would like to get better... 90% of my content is for free... and I do charities... so Jimmy said I am not = I am really not? No way. ;D ;D
J.: Man, your slow. Anyway. Youre failing, but you want to continue... Go on then.
This is what we call "projection" in psychology. Just because he's sort of slow he thinks that a philosopher, author, poet and sportsman as me is slow. Pathetic as hell!
Me: "Yeah, and the word hygiene. Seems to be a reccurent thing in your "world" haha" -- Sure. I am very health-oriented person. Already 47 and still no white hair, still look like a university student. Young girls and boys ask me if I am 25 or 29... So it's a good thing to keep younger, stronger and happier when practically you're a grandfather already. Problem? :)
"You wrote a book about cleaning your hands ?" -- oversimplified. You're good at it. You really can make even the Aristotle's work to sound like "That guy wrote some bs!"... Jimmy, boy... come on. Are you really at "that low level"? Don't man... I had higher opinion about you... I still do believe you just feel upset and angry recently so you do want to control the things... like that time: I am expressing my view and my responsible answers and you're trying to tell me what to answer... Come on...
"You basically take other people concept. ,twist it to your vision, Change the vocabulary ... And pretend to be clever on internet." -- Really believe it?????????????? So, tell me FOR EXAMPLE, who is another one who wrote the METAPILL concept or the ATLEASTISM concept? Nobody... I do check before I write; never repeat again. Of course, if there is a BIG CONCEPT like "COVID-19 MEASURES" -- then YEAH, I MAY repeat some points, but what's wrong with it, when still I am I with my unique philosophy based on materialism and optimism + realism? You just can't understand this. But it's okay. I also don't understand the photography. Not every person is an encyclopedist.
"The whole 'lets go to another country to f..." -- This is what they call GEOMAXX. For example, you're a short guy in France, but in Colombia you're taller... And it's ONLY ONE of the ideas... for example GYMMAXX, EDUMAXX, MONEYMAXX, etc. -- all these are part of the Metapill (mine) and Redpill (others) theory which is WAY BETTER than "Go to ER people" (i. e. "Go to make mass murder because you're a loser.")... I (and some other incelologists) teach the incels to AVOID the harm and to be more sporty, healthy and smarty... and to make money as well.
"Then I ll go somewhere else. Pity, but doing ok now. Ill ask them later." -- It's up to you. BUT, AS A NET-FRIEND (网友), I am just giving you this simple advise: I live here since 2004, I saw many people like you who think that they can attack others and especially the government without consequences... and many of them are really not here anymore... So, if you really love China, don't be this kind of foreigner (老外). Then, maybe like me, one day you may be okay to apply for a Green card and to become a nearly Chinese citizen. (Of course, it doesn't mean I don't see your point. I think you have a good point about the measures about COVID but they don't think so...)
" they are quite fun too." -- Fun or not, the ONLY goal is to help as much as possible those ugly, fat, skinny and even some of the disabled men to COPE AND HOPE more, then 60% of them will find at least ONE WOMAN... And we prevent suicided, we make people stronger, healthier and so on... And this is the beginning. Even we saved only 10 people, it counts... And at the same time we can earn some money (not going to hide it; because you know that most of us are jobless or poor too. 90% free + 10% paid sounds enough emphatic.).
"predictable" -- The predictability is based exactly on knowledge, information and some luck. For example, IF YOU MEET A MEMBER OF ISIS, it's highly likely to be in trouble and something like "Charlie Hebdo"... but if you meet a normal person it's highly unlikely to have big problem... This is it... THE DEGREE of the predictability... So, if you find only one sentence where I state that there are 100% predictable interactions, I'll send you RMB 50 (10 beers).
"You should rethink what you are doing." -- I do, because I am not 100% full of myself. I told you VERY CLEARLY -- Some guys told me: "You went to China?! Why not Canada? Japan?"... and I do think carefully: "Yes, I started with kungfu, Bruce Lee, communism, Mao Zedong and so on... but I was a child... now I am an adult. I may already apply for a Chinese Green card... so should I?"... I never think I am 100% right or wrong... This is the objective philosophical stand. So, I do.
"The whole concept is funny." -- It's a statement (a doxa).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxa)
Now if you can write an article or an e-book to PROOF that it IS REALLY funny -- admirations... But only "Jimmy said so = It's so." isn't working.
"Hating something that you chase getting advices from people failling to obtain it. Feel wrong isnt it ?" -- ONLY WHEN I ALREADY TRIED IT.For example one woman said I can get work visa as non-native English speaker if I have TEFL. I told her I do have TEFL, Master's, previous work visas, etc. But she insisted... and I gave her my resume, stuff... and then she said: "不好意思，you really can't. My bad, I didn't know the recent regulations." Fair enough?
J.: Yeah yeah. Whining... I desserve nahnahnah...
Not enough. Welcome to life.
This is exactly the thing that we usually discuss -- that to disagree or to explain a problem isn't "whining" and that the people who deserve are those who really love something and work hard for it. Nobody said otherwise. He just can't read and understand well. What he can do is to insult, to lie and to make people hate him more and more.
J.: Sooner u get it, faster u can go on with your life.
I got it very early but when you will get the ability to read and understand what you're reading. Not everything is only to take photos and to enjoy images.
Me: "And im writing this for the people in your forum, cause "you" seems to love post social interactions in forums ;p" -- SHARE THE TRUTH WITH YOU: Jimmy, dear Jimmy, I do prefer the forums because I ALREADY TRIED TO GET ALONG WITH FOREIGNERS IN CHINA --- they get DRUNK, start to INSULT Chinese and the CCP, even the president... and I am IN DANGER too. I didn't spend 18+ years in China just to lose my Green card chance because of some foreign haters... Also, once an Australian tried to touch my ex-wife and I had to hit him... not good, because ONLY ONE criminal record in China and you're a "bye-bye" foreigner. (Elizabeth told you all already that it's a "bye-bye" situation). SOME CHINESE are stupid enough too, so I just AVOID being with drunkards and fools. That's it. I usually walk alone or with my present partner... You never know who is crazy and may jeopardize your WELLBEING in China... So, don't judge me that I don't want to meat foreigners... I told Elizabeth the same -- I came in China to be well in China, not to meet foreign guys who MAY or CAN make my efforts down to 0...
J.: And it seems that people are quite ok with my statements... Anyway. Ure sad and lost. Its true, but it should call for a self analysis.
If u are so well integrated, where are ur chinese friends ? I can easily ask a dozen locals to live with them...
Its true that sone foreigners are bad, but are u sure youre not one of them? Not only drunkards are bad.
Again, anyway...
He really has no idea how many people are NOT ok with his statements... I'm sad and lost? Okay... let's see with this attitude and stupid, aggressive and disgraceful actions how long he will be happy and not lost. I make this educated guess: people like him are not going to be long time successful in life because he's aggressive, rude, lies and not clever enough. Logically, he'll be in trouble or in troubles. That's all.
J.: Enough fun chitchat
So long ~
just noticed ur wechat is tag as a girl... Nice.
He even didn't read that it's not my WeChat when at the beginning in that group the owner said that it's my partner's WeChat. ;D What a... hm... you know... guy!
Me: "Ascend" -- Okay, look: at the beginning (1999, when I was one of the first in South East Europe to study the incelology) I also used the term "how to escape"... later "ascend" become a sub-culture term of the semi-cult incels' forums, groups, etc. SO I JUST USE THEIR LANGUAGE (slang)... And it's okay. Because as the Communist philosophy (Dialectic Materialism) said: "the content is the same, even when the form may differ." So, who cares? Like you speak "Je", English speak "I", Chinese - “我”, Russians - "Я", Bulgarians - "Аз", Tatars - "Мин", Koreans - "나"... It's ONE AND THE SAME content IN DIFFERENT forms.
J.: It cares
Words have meanings :P
Haha
Youre pattern is really fun
U do really use pattern for social interactions
See ya
Then he blocked me and I had to inform them in that group what's going on. Before I post it here, only to answer him this: The words have meanings but there are also words called synonyms! And their meaning is the same. This is the content and the form in philosophy which you CAN'T understand.
And if I use a "pattern" for social interactions you're using nothing... I am telling you again -- a hater, a liar and a troll as you can't have happy and good life for long time. You're calling for misfortune by yourself. It's not a thread or something like Karma religion thing. It's just an educated logical guess.
My last reply (that showed me he blocked me) was: Me: "Man, your pb is social skills, not your appearance. Otherwise how come people on internet get angry at you too ?" -- THIS IS THE HALF-TRUTH. This is just 50/50. Of course, the character, personality, social skills, education, personal philosophies and so on, DO MATTER, but... if you're 1/10 "handsome", the females give you NO attention especially when there are tons of 5/10 to 10/10 handsome (and/or rich) males around... Imagine if you're a 145 cm manlet how "only with good social skills" you'll get a girlfriend? (because the main goal is the true love, not just a one-night stand. The "escortmaxx" as they call it doesn't count).
FROM THAT Elizabeth's GROUP:
Me:
Jimmy blocked me and even used some insults... not good. Well, as far as he's interested reading my articles in the Omnilogy forum, I'm going to answer him there.
He knows where to read it, the links here are forbidden, so I keep the rules. But he is a good reader, he will read there.
Of course, he's welcome to join there and to defend his point; of course without insults if possible; the well-mannered and self-controlled people don't need words like "bullshit", " Ure sad and lost. " and so on to show, proof and defend their points of view.
J.: Not interested in incels bullshit, dreaming while teaching young girls...
I don't understand this crazy lie (nobody of the incels here is teaching young girls BUT HE IS TAKING PHOTOS OF KIDS -- boys and girls -- which may be seen in his website in the category "Kids - 儿童"!!! I am not going to make Free ad for his website here but if he wants to play this dirty card "You deal with kids", we can observe it more!!!)
Anyone who want to check can go on his forum.
This guy is borderline dangerous and I dont want anything to do with him.
And yes, your rethoric is bullshit.
So please never mentionned me again.
He's the hater, the liar and the troll and the one who speaks against the Chinese measures but I am "borderline dangerous"?! What an insane and disgusting logic!
J.: And not going to answer whatever what he ias going to flood this group with.
Have a good day
The man even doesn't make difference between a group and a forum/board (subforum). Well,... I can't have some expectations, can I?
Me: Only here, boy. Not going to answer you in this group. Just respect too much Elizabeth. If you dare, come in the forum and express your points of view. AND DON'T TRY TO LIE IT'S ONLY ABOUT THE INCELOLOGY!
Jonathan said: Rejection. Happens to everyone at some point. Get over it
;D (Man, I am happy when people who only can make my life worse in China, like this one, are rejecting me. It's for my own good. I can't stand liars, haters and trolls like him!)
Olle asked "Are you guys interested in joining my hate group?"
J.: Im french, seems adding cream on cream
Just wanna make clear before he keeps going on. But thanks for the invite.
Me:
No, I don't want Jimmy THE LIAR to chat with me in the groups: I got Master's in philosophy, I am well-mannered and educated person who is a writer and an amateur webmaster... I even write poems, do sports... I don't smoke and don't drink. AND THIS PERSON WILL CALL ME "DANGEROUS"!?!?!?!?!?!?! @J , so YOU LIAR, just shut up and if you have something to say, go to the forum... Otherwise don't lie the people here.
@Elizabeth, I was VERY CLEAR I don't want to be in touch with foreigners... you see what's the result!!! I tried politely and patiently with him but he insults and lies!!!!! WHY THE HELL I HAVE TO BE IN TOUCH WITH FOREIGNERS IN CHINA?!?!?!!???????????????????????? I have got some Chinese friends and you.. it's enough...
Olle: That's the idea with the hate and anger group, to keep it out of other groups.
Me: I'll repeat: I don't want to be there with Jimmy (a hater, a LIAR and so on...) I even consider to leave this group here too. USELESS!
And I left it! I really don't want to be associated with foreigners in China. Yes, not every foreigner is bad and not every Chinese is good! But I am not in China to meet and to gather with foreigners. I came here because of the Chinese culture, socialism (which I hoped to progress so much!!!) and climate. I am not here to be one of the 老外 (laowai, i. e. foreigner) in China.
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This absolutely unhinged. No wonder you're an incelm and I'm not surprised you spend your day collecting garbage on the streets of Haikou.
Get some help, seriously the international clinic has english speaking psycologists.
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I think that this man is like the typical normies or also known "Normans" who believe that the incels are having problem only because of the character traits. He is having distorted idea what are the problems of the incels.
And he also sounds like those of my school bullies. When they harm you with words and physically they are happy but when you fight back they will start cry and go to report you to the principle that you're dangerous. I think he didn't learn how to lose with dignity and as a true man. We're incels without hate and I can't write what I think about his mental status. ;)
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This absolutely unhinged. No wonder you're an incelm and I'm not surprised you spend your day collecting garbage on the streets of Haikou.
Get some help, seriously the international clinic has english speaking psycologists.
Bro welcome! But notice that we're incels without hate. Control more your language. :)
Bro, it's not "incelm". It is incel.
Bro, this man you're talking to is a popular philosopher and incelologist who speaks Chinese better than you speak English. Don't send him to English speaking psychologists. ;D
And what's wrong with being environmental friendly? I can't see a problem a philosopher, incelologist and part-time teacher to do something environmental friendly like collecting some recyclable garbage from the streets.
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This absolutely unhinged. No wonder you're an incelm and I'm not surprised you spend your day collecting garbage on the streets of Haikou.
Get some help, seriously the international clinic has english speaking psycologists.
Bro welcome! But notice that we're incels without hate. Control more your language. :)
Bro, it's not "incelm". It is incel.
Bro, this man you're talking to is a popular philosopher and incelologist who speaks Chinese better than you speak English. Don't send him to English speaking psychologists. ;D
And what's wrong with being environmental friendly? I can't see a problem a philosopher, incelologist and part-time teacher to do something environmental friendly like collecting some recyclable garbage from the streets.
A lot of wrong English words:
1. incelm - incel
2. english - English
3. psycologist - psychologist
No wonder a bro with bad English is not understanding the text and thinks of it as unhinged. :D lolololol
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I told you that if you mention even once your bottle/can collecting for money there these foreigners are going to bite only about it! You could save it. Why you told them?
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No, seriously, I already explained in that first group that when you do many activities (writing e-books, teaching part-time language and sports classes, writing poems, practicing martial arts and 4 other sports, making websites and collecting some empty bottles/cans to help yourself to survive) some people with low IQ are going to remember ONLY ONE of this activities and to pigeonhole you in only one of them (in this case -- the recycle business) and that's it.
But is it my fault that some of the foreigners in China are with such a low IQ? Is it my fault that some of them are with psychological issues as well? (Well, at least you may see this one has some self-awareness and uses the nickname "yellowbrick" which is related to "psychiatric treatment of emerging adults", so I'm trying to be patient with him and to see what's his issue step by step and to find the right treatment for him.)
And with recycle business or without it, when there is an abnormal person like that J. guy, he'll attack everything you do -- you saw right?
1. I use HTML (and he also made a website via HTML) but he thinks that my websites are nothing.
2. I write e-books about losing weight, new incel theory and philosophy (metapill + atleastism), Sinology, hygiene... but he thinks that the books are nothing new, nothing special and so on.
3. I am explaining him basic ethics and sociology in popular way, but instead to understand it and to admit that he is wrong, he thinks that I'm "slow" and can't realize how undeveloped are his abilities of reading-and-understanding + his logical thinking and empathy.
4. I am being polite and patient with him but he's starting to spread lies about us and concretely about me.
So, what do you expect from this kind of low-level Euro guy?! It's already a sort of achievement for him if he can remember at least one of my activities (no matter is it the philosophy, the writing, the sports or something else).
It's the same case as that another similar person (a female with psychological issues and low IQ) who didn't realize that it's a forum about everything (animals, plants, food, languages, philosophy, psychology, optimization and so on) and noticed only the Incels' board...
This is their level and you just can't expect much more from them. Just avoid contacts with them because they only can make you look worse in China and to make more Chinese to hate all of the foreigners just because these ones are so abnormal, hostile and with low IQs.
And about why I told them? Here we go: a) honesty, b) to proof that I am not avoiding any kind of job and I can work even as a cleaner if I can obtain a work visa, c) to show them that even a poor and/or jobless man can be useful for China's economy and environment, d) to let them know that I'm not one of those rich ones here who only wonder which restaurant or travel spot to visit... Do you want more? :-)
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Yeah. It is pretty clear that it is one of that laowai guys who is never satisfied. He is going to complain about the PRC's health measures. To call people's questions 'stupid'. To discard others books, theories, discoveries. To move from country to country. To be an endless pain in the $#@$$@#% for the others and for himself. We know many of these laowais and we are well aware how disgracing are they for their countries, peoples and for the rest of the laowais in PRC who are getting negatives only and just they're nearby them or because they're laowais too.
But here is another problem. This particular point was left unanswered. Why? ;D If u are so well integrated, where are ur chinese friends ? I can easily ask a dozen locals to live with them...
Its true that sone foreigners are bad, but are u sure youre not one of them? Not only drunkards are bad.
Again, anyway...
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Thanks for noticing and reminding it. I was in hurry today because the moon outside was pretty enough and I wanted to finish these answers as soon as possible in order to see it and to take some photographs with my Chinese partner and then to do my evening/night exercises on the beach. :)
And still, dear my fans and readers, keep in mind that I usually answer sentence-by-sentence, word-by-word. You hardly can find more punctual and responsible person who is going to spend so much time to read the replies so carefully and to post so detailed answers. 8)
Don't, even for a second, think that I avoided to answer him about it. (As you maybe noticed I am not afraid to face every question and to give it a decent answer.) So, immediately answering:
1. "If u are so well integrated, where are ur chinese friends ?"
What a developed brain! He concluded that if he can't see my Chinese friends there aren't any. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Let me count now, especially for the gossiping readers and for this "brainy" J. person: Currently there are 29 online friends, 19 offline friends, 8 good friends and 10 close friends. So, it makes 66.
I even don't count how many people do wanted to make friends with me but I refused because I am pretty busy with my sports and my writings (and/or they're those type of people who are going to insist to visit non-stop restaurants and cafe. I have no money for this kind of "friendship" and I am very picky about what exactly I can eat/drink because I am health-oriented sporty person; not every science guy is an obese "coach potato", right?)
2. " I can easily ask a dozen locals to live with them..."
Me too, most of the local people (in South China) are friendly and they like you just because you're a foreigner. But if you keep in the real life the same internet attitude of yours (trolling, hating, spreading lies, rude words, etc.) you can be sure that there will be less and less people who're going to live with you.
3. "Its true that sone foreigners are bad, but are u sure youre not one of them? "
Only a totally lost and insane person can ask such a stupid question. I am a fan of China since my childhood, I don't smoke, don't drink hard alcohol, I have even discoveries (not just e-books) like "argumentum ad moderatorum", the etymology of "Bul-gar", the essence of the Maieutics, Bulgarian zodiacism and so on. I am with socialist beliefs. I even tried so patiently to be polite with you to the very end when your lies made me to lose my temper and to start to hate you.
And you'll doubt if I am a good man?!
OK because here is really a place that most of us think that should be hateless I will just say "I understand that this is probably the best your brain can do."
4. "Not only drunkards are bad." -- That's right. Some sober foreigners in China are bad too. So, the best for me is just to avoid making close relationships with any of them. When someone like Elizabeth is obviously very intelligent and probably very friendly to the local people, I don't mind to say that I do perceive her as a sort of friend. But most of the rest... I had enough bad situations with them and I really don't want again to get closer because in China, it is highly likely causing me problems. (Again, I am not some Chinese chauvinist or xenophobe, so I do agree that there are also some bad and/or stupid Chinese people. And I do avoid them too.) So, staying away from potential problems -- the optimal that we can do when we're in China and we want to live peacefully and without any criminal records!
Some other questions, brainy J.? Do you still want to drink beer with me? Come to invite me, waiting for you!
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At the first moment I was like ??? Why Geser Kurultaev is providing in the incels subforum some chit-chat with a EU hater loser who resides in China currently? Oh, gosh! Now I see that this genius is trying to explain to us the incels and their problems besides his bitter and teenish frustrations. ;D So yep it's related. Let it be here. Not spam or offtopic.
Still trying to remember that bottle/can/garbage thing... Ups. It was there http://www.seo-forum-seo-luntan.com/b28/geser-kurultaev/msg45059/ (http://www.seo-forum-seo-luntan.com/b28/geser-kurultaev/msg45059/)
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Yes. I know what I do and what I have to do.
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Oi! He is a fan! He reads my 500 rejections book! 8) 8) Don't be too hard to my fan-reader!
Nah... bros and sis... as another, way more clever and edumaxxed French male said, folks like him shouldn't be allowed to speak.
They are talking about things they don't know anything about. And their life is as miserable as ours.
When you spend your whole day browsing a male forum and posting stuff like "Hehe, look at these incels! lmao~`", your life isn't better than ours, far from it.
Sorry if some of the females felt underrepresented. I know here we've got several female members/moderators too but he (J.) is obsessed by the male stuff hereby I rephrased that other French male's thoughts.
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Lad this is actually insane. You're literally a bum in a developing country.
If China's so great, why does the society allow people like you to fall to such positions? Surely that's a massive failure in the system. Just look at all the mentally ill (yourself included) who find themselves roaming the streets of China with nothing to do but collect trash and ramble on and on about absolute rubbish. At least in my country we don't let people get into such situations as yours. But no - you think China is the best despite the fact you sort trash and have to work illegally.
Literally no one cares about any of this dumb shit - not this crappy 2004 style website, not the ebooks, not anything. You are not an unrecognised genius, you are not based, redpilled or anything, you're just insane. Get help, you're detached from reality. You're literally approaching Chrischan levels of delusion.
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Brickie, you in China, brocel? If so, why you're in China and not develop in your developed word? Some Chinese fellows think so "Only the losers from the developed world are coming to China." Your cool bro in question is from another developing country so it makes sense when he is trying his luck in China and you what? Why are you in China? And if you're not how you know what is in China? From your fake news media I guess?
If you don't mind, which is your country that is so social? Because if you're from one of those US, France, Italy and others, pal, you're full of native beggars, Islamic refugees, Ukrainian homeless and so on and so fourth. Don't distort the Chinese users that you're the paradise on Earth and when the continental China's Chinese go there to get stressed of your social reality.
Seems you're dealing with some mentalcel issues (congrats on the right nick choice by the way) and you are obsessed of the mental health of the others. So, here is a little present for you Japanese who visit France (and discover what sh*t is it there by their own eyes) are developing a French madness or something. Let me check it for you.
Paris Syndrome https://www.japanpowered.com/japan-culture/paris-syndrome (https://www.japanpowered.com/japan-culture/paris-syndrome)
What I know is that the Japanese expect that French people are polite, romantic, clever, clean... and when they see the French reality (even in the capital which is Paris) they feel they want to die. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
So if you don't mind tell us from which so social society you're coming? Or soyciety? ;D Only if you are from somewhere like Sweden, Norway, Iceland or Ireland I (and most of the Chinese likely) can do agree that there the social problems are less. But don't praise to us holes like Italy, France, US and fourth because we have some friends who were there and the impression is "Why the heck I left China? Here sucks!"
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I feel lazy to post another post only for this, thus over here comes the very important note (http://www.seo-forum-seo-luntan.com/a-forum-for-incels-who-are-normal-people-no-terrorists-no-rapists-no-racists-no-pedophiles-no-haters-and-so-on/cope-what-is-your-favorite-cope/msg45597/#msg45597)
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Hah that was funny! ;D
The brick incel is a blatant hater (and somehow sounds hurt that there are people more skillful and more successful than him) but he made some good points. We'll wait for the answers. 8)
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Hah that was funny! ;D
The brick incel is a blatant hater (and somehow sounds hurt that there are people more skillful and more successful than him) but he made some good points. We'll wait for the answers. 8)
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While I'd agree with some of the points made above, I'd hate to admit that you're wrong.
Why am I here? To sort out paperwork with my partner so we can leave China...
I know that I joked above, but Geser really does look like Chris Chan... let's hope his story doesn't end the same way.
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Sorry for the late reply🙏 I use this thread to congratulate the colleagues with this new incels without hate for the normal incels and incelologistics board. 👍
Read the long weixin chat. I know it is all about the point of view but from my view the intellectual level difference is like teenager versus grandfather. Decades of difference. 🌍
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Sorry for the late reply🙏 I use this thread to congratulate the colleagues with this new incels without hate for the normal incels and incelologistics board. 👍
Read the long weixin chat. I know it is all about the point of view but from my view the intellectual level difference is like teenager versus grandfather. Decades of difference. 🌍
It's not that subjective, in fact, because this things are pretty measurable. For example, you can count how many languages he speaks and how many I speak. You can count how many books, discoveries, articles, poems and other works I have and how many he has. You can compare his cultural level and levels of aggression with mine. You can also easily see the difference between my sports-build body and his average body. You can carefully read how many times I proved logically and factually my opinions and how many times he just avoids the topic and/or changes it; even incapable to-read-and-to-understand simple examples, explanations...
I am not saying that he's totally under the average; you can count it as a bit above the average present Western man (seems he read some books but what he learned and understood from these books is another question!) But communicating with this level of IQ, ethics, culture and manners is really challenging and I am not sure if it's face to face for how long I can be able to control myself (but you all know here that I'm a very polite, patient and good person so he can't just throw lies like "He is borderline dangerous"!) You can't insult someone non-stop and to expect that this one will just listen you patiently with a smile; when the provocations are too many and too much everyone may become "borderline dangerous" (and still you saw that till the very end I tried my best to stay calm, logical, scientific and objective).
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Answers to our recent (and mentally, psychologically, intellectually challenged obviously) member:
1. "you are not based, redpilled or anything"
Here, even a beginner who reads basic incelology will notice that this challenged guy isn't familiar with the terminology. How I can be "redpilled" once I'm the author of the Metapill theory (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/20117936.Geser_Kurultaev (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/20117936.Geser_Kurultaev)). And why should I be "redpilled" or anything if I'm an incelologist since 1999 who is based on philosophical anthropology, dialectical materialism and atleastism?
First read and learn well, later try to write in an omnilogy forum full of science-oriented visitors and even scientist who'll just laugh at your imbecilism.
2. "You are not an unrecognised genius"
Compared with people like Elizabeth I'm just a humble philosopher with different interests who is writing this or that. But compared with obsessed semi-primitive trolling haters like you I'm a recognized genius. Trust me.
3. "you're just insane."
Said the guy with the blatant psychological and probably psychopathological issues? Who do you think you are? Dante Cicchetti?
Believe me, I can tell better than many of you who is and who isn't insane because when I read the books of Nikola Shipkovensky, you still wasn't born.
4. "Get help, you're detached from reality. "
And you think you are very attached, huh?
It's enough to see how people like you behave abroad -- the conclusion is that you really don't know what's wrong, right, safe, dangerous, etc. Usually the foreign jails are full with guys like you just because you are delusional and think that what you do in your chaotic Western countries is appropriate everywhere abroad. And this is your main problem. Think about it and maybe it will save you future troubles.
5. "Literally no one cares about any of this dumb shit "
And you decided to overcompensate it with your 24/7 attention, "care" and "well-mannered" communication with me? How noble!
6. "not this crappy 2004 style website"
I have a lot of websites. And I am just an amateur webmaster who still makes websites better than you, right? So instead of jealousy try to improve yourself; don't behave like the lowest-level incels who only hate the normal people and don't give a damn about their knowledge, skills, bodybuilding and wealth.
7. "not the ebooks"
Did you read at least one of the ebooks? You're LITERALLY anecdotical! Telling you why: during the Communist party rule back there in my country when we have got free healthcare, free education and very cheap goods/services there was a book which was anti-socialistic, hence it was criticized (a Pasternak's book). One of the party members who didn't read the book said "I didn't read it but I condemn it!" another one said "I didn't read it but I don't like it!"
Some historians think these are anecdots because there are no records of such sayings. But here, now, YOU made it: You didn't read the ebooks but you already know that they're not good! What a high level of intelligence you got! Congratulations!
8. "You're literally approaching Chrischan levels of delusion."
Don't know who is the person you mean, there are many "Chris Chan"s but when it comes to delusions you are the man!I am not saying that I am omniscient and I know that I was wrong a few times in my life, so at the present, I suppose, that there are some matters that are "hidden" (unknown) or "blurry" for my sight. But at least I don't do so many mistakes abroad as you the young and not fully educated Westerners do.
NB: Because I don't want again someone online (or offline) to say that I am skipping or avoiding answers, I promise tomorrow to find some time and to answer you about your one-and-only serious question about how difficult is nowadays for most of the foreigners to find jobs in China.
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To sort out paperwork with my partner so we can leave China...
I wish you good luck abroad with her (or him. Just adding the male gender here because I've got an impression you are interested in males' looks and some transgender people like Chris-chan. We welcome here the gaycels, gays and the other LGBT people. Feel comfortable here and share with us everything you want to. It will be interesting to know if you guys will have same-sex marriage in your developed country.) As you said China is a developing country. Here we haven't same-sex marriages. But in the developed countries there are same-sex marriages. And if it is your case, good luck!
But, listen. A piece of mind from me. It's not important if your partner is a she-partner or a he-partner, the important is that she or he is a Chinese person. Many of us (汉族，少数民族 or 外国人raised in China or lived here for a long time) develop romantic idealization of the West. As someone said, you can expect that your Chinese partner may get very disappointed when you guys arrive there. All those school gunshots, skinheads on the streets, drunken bikers, angry black men, thugs, soccer hooliganism, speedy drivers on drugs, unstable incels and other developed states' problems can make your Chinese partner to rethink her or his residing with you there. And on top of that your culture background surely will cause you problems too. You'll need a ton of good luck. So I am here to wish it to you~~ :-*
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Ever heard "noblesse oblige"?
Why if you all are so successful abroad there don't try to help him or just politely to shut up instead of being rude?
This thread should be seen by all those silly girls who think that boys from Western countries are all kind, polite angels or knights. You boys are the same trashy as the ignorant boys in the developed world with only difference that you have the money more than them.
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Hah that was funny! ;D
The brick incel is a blatant hater (and somehow sounds hurt that there are people more skillful and more successful than him) but he made some good points. We'll wait for the answers. 8)
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While I'd agree with some of the points made above, I'd hate to admit that you're wrong.
Why am I here? To sort out paperwork with my partner so we can leave China...
I know that I joked above, but Geser really does look like Chris Chan... let's hope his story doesn't end the same way.
Let me answer this first, then I'll post my answer about why in China is so difficult for most of the foreigners to find a work visa job.
1. How is it no hate when you non-stop call another person crazy and insulting him and his achievements on regular basis?
2. I found which Chris you mean and tried to post a photograph which proves that he's an obese person, I'm a sporty, lean and muscular person but I fail to upload it here and then I decided that it worthless to spend more time to upload in other places and link it here just to prove to some people with sociopathic behavior that I'm looking differently.
3. Why are you thinking that my story can end with that end (was arrested on a charge of incest
)??? Usually the "incest" definition is clear even for the teenagers. You, as a grown person, with a minimal IQ has to know it. But no, you're with the typical low-IQ incel behavior: you'll just say/post something even when you have no idea what is its true definition!
For the least educated people like this "Yellowbrick"/"J.": incest is sexual activity between family members or close relatives.
As most of you maybe understood, this person again and again is trying to troll, insult, hurt emotionally and so on, not trying to help or, at least, to respect a bit people who're more clever and educated then him, in order to find more truths together and to have a win-win game.
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Here is the answer about why it is so difficult for many foreigners recently to find a work visa job in China
I promised that I'll answer it soon but I had some problems like no electricity We:
你好，想问一下是都停电了还是我这里停了？
The Wu-ye: 您好！目前小区已停电，故障原因正在排查中，给大家带来不便，敬请谅解！
We: 好的，谢谢！
a) "Lad this is actually insane. You're literally a bum in a developing country."
Oversimplified as usual. If this kind of oversimplification is working for those who're just thinking that "He said so, then it's true.", I want to ensure you that it's not working here (where some people are highly educated and spend their time reading and learning endlessly.)
1. According to many (including Western) people China is no longer a developing country. Bing it, Google it, Yandex it, Baidu it and so on and you'll find a lot of materials about it.
2. "A bum" is overexaggerated. I own an apartment that costs 0.35 million yuan. I am earning some cents and eurocents online. Also, earning some yuans online. So if you think that I rely only on the bottles and cans (recycle business) earnings (which is no more than 4 yuan per week) you have to be too naive.
b) "If China's so great, why does the society allow people like you to fall to such positions?"
There is no such thing as "society that allows"... there are more than a milliard of individuals in China, most of which, even don't know that I do exist. So nobody allows or disallows something about me or people like me.
c) "Surely that's a massive failure in the system."
Or maybe it's not? What if the purpose is to be protectionist? J. said that he likes it and thinks that he wish his West-European country to be the same. Remember? When I told him that "Let's say: protectionism in PRC. This is it. They just don't want foreigners who're not rich enough and who're not sky-rocket educated in fields that will help China to be number 1 in the world and to overpass USA.", he answered:
"And yes China protect their low level labors. Nothing wrong with it...
I wish France does the same, ..."
So? If you're his puppet (alter ego) then you're contradicting yourself. And if you're just a troll or just another hater with anti-Chinese attitude then you just have to understand it: the nowadays China is protectionistic and pragmatic, so if you're just a poor master of philosophy (with a TEFL and some sports' degrees) who writes some e-books, poems and articles... you're just "not good enough" for the nowadays China. If you're not lucky enough someone to give you a legal (work visa) job sooner or later, you're just leaving China. Of course, this is the nowadays China. Before it wasn't like this (Hu Jintao's period, when I could work legally as a teacher with work visa), but now it's different. Nobody knows what will be the future China.
d) "Just look at all the mentally ill (yourself included) who find themselves roaming the streets of China with nothing to do but collect trash and ramble on and on about absolute rubbish." This is a false statement! It's a lie. People who know China (like that Chinese partner of yours, in case she or he isn't a fiction) will tell you that there are a lot of 救助站 （Jiu-zhu zhan）in China that help those people (educate yourself: https://upimg.baike.so.com/doc/6293415-6506931.html (https://upimg.baike.so.com/doc/6293415-6506931.html)). Also, when you think that I'm "mentally ill" compare yourself with me and maybe you'll see that if I can be considered as a "mentally ill" then you're one who should wearing a straitjacket.
Remember that the only thing that makes people like you better than me is your luck to be born in a Westerner and richer country. If you're without your money and citizenship, you'll be in a much worse than me situation in China (and not only in China)!
e) "At least in my country we don't let people get into such situations as yours."
If you're so proud of your country, then just don't come in China to bother the people here with your insanity. Go back there with your Chinese partner and if she or he can stand your country (because many of the Western countries do have better opportunities to foreigners like me but haven't enough security and culture like China) I only can wish you to live happily ever after!
f) "But no - you think China is the best despite the fact you sort trash and have to work illegally."
Another baseless claim.
1. I don't work illegally. If I did so, I can't search for a job now (i. e. you can't communicate with me now; don't forget that you know me just because I asked for a legal job in a WeChat group.)
2. I am not a fan of "X country is the best." because I am educated and experienced enough to know that every country has its advantages and disadvantages. To be honest, one of the things (disadvantages) of your Western world is exactly this: you're, mostly, insensitive, rude, aggressive. Often there the situation is "me or you", you're prone to violence so I do prefer China with its disadvantages, still...
3. As I said, to sell some empty bottles and cans is ONLY ONE of my actions/doings/earnings... I know you're too limited intellectually to understand that I also have some other incomes but at least you may try to remember 1 or 2 more -- I am earning online some money (from books, ads, videos, recipes) + I am teaching some private students at home (with a Chinese partner) which isn't illegal.
As a conclusion: I came in Hu Jintao's China as a 100% legal English teacher and there were periods when I earned even RMB 7000 monthly. Later China changed, the laws changed, many foreigners had to leave it. Some other came. Currently, it's not easy for many of the foreigners in China to get a work visa job. It's not like other countries when foreigners can work even in a bar or to become janitors. Some people said it's because of the government politics, other said that it's because the local people don't know how to apply for a foreign worker. For example, an American born Chinese who works here said Like I said, they don't understand, they assume is hard and they don't want to try.
The reasons are complicated, I guess. It's not so clear why it became so difficult for many foreigners to find a legal job in China. But it's clear that you came here only to make my life harder, not to make it easier. You're just another Westerner who is a reminder to people like me (who chose the East) that it's better the West to be avoided.
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Lol. Mate, you're about as insecure as Chis Chan Jesus Christ Sonichu CPU godess of the C64. No cap on god frfr.
Only 2 Yuan a week!?!?!? I'll keep my eyes open for you around Haikou and chuck you a few of my empties. My heart goes out to you.
Not sure why you think I'm an incel, I'm clearly a chad sex haver. I've gone 6 for 5 before when I first came to China, it's too easy.
And don't worry - I've seen your face already, there's plenty of time for you to jump on the HRT and get the same look as Chirs.
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I did some online research. That J.' photos... the Most impressive was a woman showing half of her breast. Erotic atr? ;D Never met more Full of himself photographer. Why he thinks that If a philosopher disagrees with his elementary 'ideas' and tries to teach him some real knowledge It is 'insane' and 'bs'? ??? ::) Disrespectful foreigner who deserves to be invited to leave China. I don't Think China needs his photos and he is a contributor to the people.
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"Lol. Mate, you're about as insecure as Chis Chan Jesus Christ Sonichu CPU godess of the C64. No cap on god frfr."
According to this sentence I make a guess that your intellectual age is not higher than 15-16 y. o. Or you are high right now?
I'm also impressed (as some of my colleagues) how a straight male can be so familiar with some transgender person as that Chris guy. But... some people are just born like that.
And yeah, I'm a bit insecure. Are you very secured? Usually the most surprised are those who're too sure that they'll do whatever they want... at one point they meet something or someone who shows them that they were not so "secured"... and then is coming the big cry. :'( For example those who think they can swim very well drown more often than those who think that they're not very good swimmers and stay away from the water.
"Only 2 Yuan a week!?!?!? I'll keep my eyes open for you around Haikou and chuck you a few of my empties. My heart goes out to you."
Noble as usual and warmhearted too.
Dear brainy brickie, at least you got it AT LAST that the recycle business is just a small part (a little %) of my incomes, deeds, activities? Usually people with lower IQ need more examples, explanations and time to understand simple facts like this one. But you made it at last! Good student!
"Not sure why you think I'm an incel, I'm clearly a chad sex haver."
Oh, according to your mental distribution (like the form and the content of your sentences; your teenager-like emotions/reactions; your flawed logic constructions) I supposed that you're a sort of a mentalcel. But if you're a Chad -- cool, man! We're super positive people here, as you noticed already, and we (at least me, for sure) are wishing you to have good time with your partner (male or female partner, we can only guess... but according to your interests... hm, I think we all know the answer. :) And here I want to stress the difference between this incels' board and many of the others -- we're not homophobic and we can communicate friendly even with gaycels, GayChad sex havers and so on. So, join us and probably you'll ascend! (It's an invitation to all of the incels and incel-interested people, not only to the LGBTQ people.))
"And don't worry - I've seen your face already, there's plenty of time for you to jump on the HRT and get the same look as Chirs."
For those who're far away from your transgender (and maybe homosexual too? Don't worry and share with us. Seems you are a very honest person!) interests and never heard of HRT, I search it and it showed "hormone replacement therapy". I have to admit that you're sort of knowledgeable and I'll be not surprised if you already tried it. But, I'll disappoint you: I'm 100% straight male who uses every free minute to do some sports (to enlarge his strength, muscles and testosterone levels) and I'm satisfied with my present hormone status. (I know that some guys like you dream of this: "God, help us more and more males to become one of us, more and more gays, transgenders and bisexuals, please God!" and I understand that maybe you're attracted to my ripped body and you like me very much... but, as you know, most of the people are straight; the homosexuals and bisexuals are a minority... so, sorry! You have to be satisfied that at least you got one partner so far.)
And as a positive end of this post of mine: To all incels (truecels), nearcels, self-proclaimed incels, failed normies (failed Normans), fakecels and similar groups of people -- this is an optimistic (life-fuel) example -- once you're taking good care (permanent sports and healthy lifestyle) like me, even when you're in your middle 40's (like me) you'll be able to attract younger and much younger people (well,sometimes not females, but males like this one here, but... at least you should be glad that there are people who think you're sexy!) Now go to maxx and never minn!
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People like these aren't some "Noblesse" (nobles; 出身高贵的人) or another romantic thing that some women from the poor countries imagine (and when they have the chance to spend with them time longer than a week they start to realize simple truths like:
- Oh, but he even didn't take a shower these days! He stinks more than our local males!
- Oh, no! He lies on the bed with his dirty shoes! Such a pig!
- He even don't make push-ups! His beer belly is suffocating me!
- He curses more than my drunken uncle! I feel am with a degraded moron!
- His hometown looks worse than our suburbs!)
So, just don't idealize these people and you'll be okay. I told you -- usually the only advantage that they have is more money/capital and better citizenship (for example in China even those with South African citizenship may become English teachers with RMB 15-20 k salaries but a person from Malta or Sweden can't... )
I bet that these ones, if you put them in my situation (without enough income and with a nearly useless East-European passport) they're not going to survive a year (they haven't university degrees, they can't speak many languages, their Chinese is not good at all, their behavior is rude for the Chinese standards, their IQs are teenager level IQs or around it...) And the only problem is that because of these low-level people many Chinese would think that "all foreigners are like them". And as you may see, there are some foreigners like Eli and me who're the ones who you can call "nobles"... If we continue with this analogy, the guys in question, are something like descendants of their pirates (sea criminals) who made themselves rich in the most dishonest and disgusting ways not some grand-grandsons of their scientists, philosophers, poets and noble leaders.
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I did some online research. That J.' photos... the Most impressive was a woman showing half of her breast. Erotic atr? ;D Never met more Full of himself photographer. Why he thinks that If a philosopher disagrees with his elementary 'ideas' and tries to teach him some real knowledge It is 'insane' and 'bs'? ??? ::) Disrespectful foreigner who deserves to be invited to leave China. I don't Think China needs his photos and he is a contributor to the people.
Please, nobody doxx him (don't tell his real name and don't advertise his website for nothing!)
And on-topic now:
1. I'm not surprised, to be honest. I also noticed it and some of his videos which were like "Hi, long time didn't come to this park! I am here again and now I'll show you the park." But I don't understand the art of photography and I'm not a professional video maker. So I don't judge his work and I can't say "He sucks!" or "He is good!" because I am a person who knows his limits and I am a responsible man who is not going to ruin his reputation or to speak lies.
He and this one (maybe his puppet, maybe not) are the opposite -- they don't understand ANYTHING about the philosophy, anthropology, incelology, politology, sociology and other things related to the humans but they're willing to show me how I (the philosopher who learned a lot and continues to learn) am stupider and crazier than them.
Partly, it's because of the cognitive bias knows as "The Dunning-Kruger effect": (http://Source: https://blog.stockspot.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/dunning-kruger-3.jpg) https://blog.stockspot.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/dunning-kruger-3.jpg. But also it's because of their lack of social skills, ethics and normal norms of behavior. I wonder if at least once in their lives their parents, teachers, friends, etc. told them what is the ethical, cooperative, responsible and social way of communication. (When I communicate with this type of people, the only feeling I have is "savage" and "underdeveloped." They really could develop much better if they were born in more cultured and social society or microsociety but it was their bad luck... and now they even can't realize how low are they standing and have no idea they need to change.)
2. The closest and most emotional idea is this "Kick him out of China! We have got enough photographers!" but if we think a bit more rationally we should admit that AS FAR AS HE is earning his money via honest labor (including photo art job) it's at least not harmful for China and, to be just, if many Chinese may go abroad to work there, let the foreigners to work in China too. (But, of course, if he's getting too hostile and/or harmful to Chinese and PRC nobody will let him to stay here forever).
When I visited Macao (SAR of PRC, close to another SAR - Hongkong) several times, I noticed there plenty of foreigners (from Malaysia, Portugal, Britain, Philippines, Indonesia, Nepal, Bulgaria, Korea, Australia and some other countries) who were working different jobs (in shops, casinos, companies) and the impression was that they're normal people who can't harm Macao and who can be friendly to local people and towards themselves. But I also saw how fast is the police there (when there are some bad foreigners; I even helped the policemen once) and everything looks just find in Macao. I wish PRC could be something like that -- don't limit the foreigners but at the same time, arrest at once the bad ones! (One of my jobs in Europe was related to the police; I don't want to describe details and it was less than a year so I even don't include it in my resumes. But since that time, I learned that if the policemen want to work well, all the problems, including foreigners related problems, are solved instantly. Something like that I saw in Macao and it was really impressive!)
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About the contributions... Look, obviously as you all see the person lacks of respect, basic ethic norms, etc. I can't argue. But the contributions... let's think about it deeply. Sure, taking photos and creating some art (I suppose he can be included in the "artist" category but I don't understand photography art, so I have no idea what is the real art quality and value of his works) isn't some sort of great contribution to the Chinese people, PRC and the socialism but as long as he's not doing something illegal and his labor is honest he should have the right to be in China. And I am saying it now because I like him very much (you know that I have very negative emotions towards him but... don't need to describe anymore because he'll say again that I'm "dangerous") but because there are many Chinese like him who reside in Europe and other countries and who are also not so contributive there -- for example they have hairdresser salons, restaurants, clothes shops... Are these salons, restaurants and shops more contributive than J.'s photography services? Not at all. Chinese can make own photos, Europeans can make their own salons, food and clothes... but if Chinese would like to live in Europe (or another place) -- let them be (as far and as long as they don't break the rules there) and if Europeans like him would like to live in China -- let him be (also as far and as long as he doesn't break the rules here).
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Mogs (http://www.seo-forum-seo-luntan.com/a-forum-for-incels-who-are-normal-people-no-terrorists-no-rapists-no-racists-no-pedophiles-no-haters-and-so-on/that-mog-problem/msg45637/) me for having a GayChad who likes you. I haven't a single person who likes me. No men, no women...
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@Nadia, they (he) does not call for solutions. They (he) is only here because of the hurt ego.
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Please, nobody doxx him (don't tell his real name and don't advertise his website for nothing!)
I doubt somebody cares 'bout a low IQ normie name and site.
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I think he got very surprised that there is a person who's with better education, more experience in China, author of books, new philosophies and discoveries who showed him another level of thinking, communication, interacting. In Chinese if I can express it I would say 一个人越的知道的多，越是感觉到自己的无知，看到的牛逼的人越多，越是觉得自己在个废物。 (The more he learns, the more he will feel that he was ignorant, the more he meets great people, the more he will feel he is good-for-nothing.)
There is chance for everybody. After years he will know better the life.
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Just DON'T doxx him or others!
Low IQ -- yes, normie (normal) -- not sure. Well, if you mean the looks -- I'd say, he's a typical "Tanner" (for those who doesn't know the terminology, it's a "5" (on the decile chart). A Tanner fits between a Melvin (a low-tier Norman), a Norman and a Brad.)
To be honest, yes, there are some people who after years realize that I was right and the decent ones even coming to search me and to say "Sorry!" or to thank me for being the one who showed them that they're wrong and they can improve (to become more knowledgeable, more polite and balanced and more understanding others, and the world.)
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Unbelievable! These two westerners are at an extremely, (I'd say catastrophically) low intellectual, psychological and moral level.
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Good and exact.
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Looks like the same one.