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Normal Incels (Incels Without Hate) => A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) => Topic started by: MSL on March 03, 2023, 05:56:52 AM
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The Looks Threshold
You know that difficult for some guys word "threshold"? It's difficult to spell and difficult to decide how to pronounce. ;D Well, if you care, I'll tell you that there are two possible pronunciations: [ˈθrɛʃəʊld] and [ˈθrɛʃˌhəʊld]. I think the first one makes more sense but let's continue the topic. After you know the spelling and the pronunciation let's make sure that you understand the meaning of the word "threshold". It means "a point of entry or beginning"; "the magnitude or intensity that must be exceeded for a certain reaction, phenomenon, result, or condition to occur or be manifested", i. e. it's a philosophical, dialectical word too. And, as you will see now, it's related to the inceldom problematics too. :)
There are those naive and/or not enough educated people who think that "Personality is everything." ;D Most of the blue-pilled and the PUAs will state the same. All of these people overvalue the personality. Personality, of course, matters but (usually) after a certain looks threshold is passed (reached); think of it as a "threshold level". This level maybe more or less subjective. For example, some women may be too picky and they'll wish only Chads and GigaChads. Others may be really mostly personality-oriented and for them just a Norman (average looking) or even a Melvin (incelish looking) will be acceptable without any problem. But there is almost nobody who will accept some 0,5/10 or 1/10 because of his super good personality.
I'll tell you a true story next time (to explain if from a concrete male perspective).
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Simple explanation:
Truecels -- no personality-maxx will help you to ascend.
Incelish -- in some cases the personality-maxx may help if you're really lucky.
Normies -- personality-maxx works well especially when it comes to divorced (with kids) females, elder ones, 1/10 - 2/10 femcels.
Brads, Chadlites -- personality-maxx may guarantee you a Becky and to give you some Stacy-tier chances.
Chads -- personaity-maxx guarantees you long-term relationships with Stacies.
Gigachads -- personality-maxx makes you Mr. Perfect and always Mr. Right.
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Long time ago it was trendy to exchange mails (paper mails, not e-mails). Later -- the e-mails, then the chats... whatever. The meaning is that I and many like had to know girls via mails, e-mails, chats, i. e. before we know how they look like (even today, there are cases when you're connecting with somebody but you never saw her before because she's not posting any photos or videos online). So, you got it, right? I am talking about the situation when you're chatting with a person for a certain period of time and exchange a lot of info but without knowing her looks and even never hearing her voice. Well, there were these cases when I liked very much the girl's personality, thinking, points of view, culture, education and so on. At that point I was thinking of her like "Such a great girl, surely she is pretty too!" ;D And what I imagined was something like 8/10 at least! When I saw some of these girls, I was very surprised that they're not more than 3/10 and some even 1/10 (sort of scary). :o
Well, later when my knowledge were upgraded I started to think "No matter how well she draws, how tender are her words and how clever she is, she may be an ugly one!" and still, when there was some really amazing one (draws romantic flowers and birds in her letters, speaking gently, her handwriting is pretty, no stupid words and meanings, poetic and so on), I was thinking: "This one, even ugly is the one for me!" At that point, "ugly" for me was not less than 4/10. Otherwise I really couldn't accept it. And, yes, there was a case when I girl like that was really around 4/10 and I was okay with it. But when there was some 2/10 or 1/10, OMG!... I wasn't able to continue to chat with her even a word because of all those disgust and/or fear that I felt. ;D
I remember the time, when I already had many cases like these (to think and believe that the girl is at least not scary but she was too ugly and/or scary for my taste) and I said it to a friend who was in love with one like that. I told him that he should be careful and at least to ask her for a photograph before they meet. Well, the man was sure that "Even too ugly, I am going to love her." and do you know the result? He traveled many kilometers to meet her and after 8 hours when he saw her he said he had no energy to make even a step forward. ;D He said he was a fat, aunt-like type and no matter how lonely and needy he was that time (and how deeply in love he was towards her character and personality, and culture) he just wasn't psychologically able to go and at least to say "Hi!"... later we were thinking how he to apologize to her because it was really a bad thing to make a woman to wait for you and you never to show up.
So, here is the problem with the females too: they tend to imagine someone who is at least 5/10 but when you (at her eyes) are some 2/10 or 3/10, of course, even she wants to be nice, she just can't move further.
So, it's not "Looks are everything." but also it's not "Looks doesn't matter." Remember that there is just a "Looks threshold" which is more or less individual, subjective but it exists.
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Adding this: the existence of the threshold doesn't imply that everything is over if you're not able to pass it. The opposite -- you should maxx yourself in every possible way -- the looks may be improved (at least with 1 point via gymmaxx, dietmaxx and so on), the geomaxx, fashionmaxx, moneymaxx and so on may add you another 1-2 points and, at the end, you may be 100% better than before which is giving the real chances to ascend.
It's like being poor. Maybe you can't become a millionaire but still it doesn't mean that you shouldn't search for incomes and to become at least a bit richer (not that poor).
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Our imagination and expectations are sometimes too far away from the real looks. Sometimes it's because the females rate themselves higher too. And when you see them awww... I expected a girl to be 8 of 10 at least and when I saw her gosh... not ugly but not more than 5 of 10 irl.
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And that's why you're an incel.
Too picky.
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Oh, wow! Too picky incel is known as "standardcel". ;D
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I don't get it. They want a girl yet they complain about standards.
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Something is off here.
1) I said I expected some girl/girls to be more pretty than they are in the reality.
2) They're not so pretty as I imagined but it doesn't mean that they think that I am handsome enough for them.
3) I am an incel because there is no girl to like me not because I want too much. There is just 0 choice.
I am not a standardcel. I am okay with a 3/10 low tier Becky if she's not too fat or something mental.
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It's the same when we're thinking about the gays, lesbians. How many of you imagine that all lesbians are hot? Many, I guess... but in the reality, the hot ones are a minority.
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Something is off here.
1) I said I expected some girl/girls to be more pretty than they are in the reality.
2) They're not so pretty as I imagined but it doesn't mean that they think that I am handsome enough for them.
3) I am an incel because there is no girl to like me not because I want too much. There is just 0 choice.
I am not a standardcel. I am okay with a 3/10 low tier Becky if she's not too fat or something mental.
Interesting.
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And that's why you're an incel.
Too picky.
Oh, no! :-X Another That's why you're an incel (http://www.seo-forum-seo-luntan.com/a-forum-for-incels-who-are-normal-people-no-terrorists-no-rapists-no-racists-no-pedophiles-no-haters-and-so-on/that-s-why-you-re-an-incel/msg46301/#msg46301). You really think the life and the love are so simple? I sent a wrong photo -- that's why I am an incel (even when I don't send any photos?!) Someone is just saying that he/she doesn't like you 10/10 much and then "Oh~ that's why you're an incel.' (even if he's okay with a 3/10 girl?!) Come on. Life and love are really more than "just it".
And to show you that I'm not mean to you but really want to give you a piece of mind (honest criticism which may help you to learn about the life&love thing.)
- Usually there are ">1" (more than 1; greater than 1) reasons for being an incel.
- We're incels not because of a wrong photo or too picky, we're incels because we're ugly, poor and, probably, in the wrong place.
- Even we may disagree with you, you're welcome because you're helping us somehow to have a sort of reality check.
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I don't really mean what I post most of the time. It's just the first thing on my mind I post so it sometimes sounds stupid.
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It's alright. 8) Don't worry. 8)
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I'm used to sites like Discord which is why I usually just say whatever pops up first in my mind.
However, on here, you can't edit or delete messages like Discord so I should break out of habit.
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Very right. I like how you said it!
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Very well and very, very, very right said!
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I would say my look threshold is very low. I basically have yet to encounter with any girl whose look is so bad that I will disquality her for being a dating material to me.
And of course it is very naive to say personality is everything. That is the antithesis of blackpill and both of them are not correct, but who cares about look threshold or this or that thresholds when you don't care about relationship like me loool
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Only personality = blue pill. I know. :)
So, you are a volcel now. Cool. 8)
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I would say my look threshold is very low.
I'd say it's something very good. It makes you more fit in the dating area. I am not joking. It's in fact super cool when you feel that some girl is pretty enough while the others don't like her. Then your chances are super high + you have no worries that somebody else will compete with you. 8) At least two of my ex-girlfriends were my girlfriends because there were no other males to like them (not because these girls found me very attractive). They just had no other option ;D. And, at the same time, I found them pretty attractive (because I like short and darkish skin females, but all the males around them were like "No, too short!" and/or "I want a blond girl." and/or "I want an elder one, not going to date a schoolgirl.")
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I would say my look threshold is very low.
I'd say it's something very good. It makes you more fit in the dating area. I am not joking. It's in fact super cool when you feel that some girl is pretty enough while the others don't like her. Then your chances are super high + you have no worries that somebody else will compete with you. 8) At least two of my ex-girlfriends were my girlfriends because there were no other males to like them (not because these girls found me very attractive). They just had no other option ;D. And, at the same time, I found them pretty attractive (because I like short and darkish skin females, but all the males around them were like "No, too short!" and/or "I want a blond girl." and/or "I want an elder one, not going to date a schoolgirl.")
Nah my height restricts my dating pool extremely a lot even though I have low thresholds for girl, but I had two romances. I've given up dating since it has become tedious to me.
I've even already been 'disconnecting' with people and seluding myself from others for long time, unless he/she is really important to me. I am already unemphasizing socialization.
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An army analogy. Let's say the height is like the air force. If your army is lacking it, well, it's a trouble but still, you can compensate it in other ways like more ground forces (like tanks), more naval ones (like submarines), more diplomacy-maxx ;D (like making more powerful friends who are providing you economical, political and military support)... in a word, learn from Ukraine -- their president could easily just run away and to give up because the initial Ukrainian army was almost nothing compared to the Russian one. But you see now? They compensated their air force weakness with all those tanks-maxx, dimplomacy-maxx (sanctions, etc.), etc. and many months without significant air force support they succeed to keep their freedom.
The height is a problem and being a shortcel sucks, but you're not exactly a shortcel. You're around the middle height, so you can compensate with better body (six pack abs, bigger shoulder muscles, etc. gymmaxx), fashionmaxx, artmaxx and so on. There is room to improve yourself. Now you're maybe only 67% of your "best self". Based on my philosophy (atleastism), you can at least add 20%, be a better self, if you can't be your best self and then, at least, 2-3 Becky-tier girls are going to like you. Otherwise, you'll be able to get a wife anyway, I don't have any doubts about it, because you're this type of person who's able to get university job, to make a good salary life and then maybe some woman will see you as a beta-buxx but it's not a very good option because she'll have an indirect interest being your wife; the better is when there is direct interest, i. e. when they like you for what you're not only for what you have. Sure, most of the females do mix the indirect interest and the direct interest, but still better than just indirect interest ("I will marry Lib because of his good uni salary!") ;D
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An army analogy. Let's say the height is like the air force. If your army is lacking it, well, it's a trouble but still, you can compensate it in other ways like more ground forces (like tanks), more naval ones (like submarines), more diplomacy-maxx ;D (like making more powerful friends who are providing you economical, political and military support)... in a word, learn from Ukraine -- their president could easily just run away and to give up because the initial Ukrainian army was almost nothing compared to the Russian one. But you see now? They compensated their air force weakness with all those tanks-maxx, dimplomacy-maxx (sanctions, etc.), etc. and many months without significant air force support they succeed to keep their freedom.
The height is a problem and being a shortcel sucks, but you're not exactly a shortcel. You're around the middle height, so you can compensate with better body (six pack abs, bigger shoulder muscles, etc. gymmaxx), fashionmaxx, artmaxx and so on. There is room to improve yourself. Now you're maybe only 67% of your "best self". Based on my philosophy (atleastism), you can at least add 20%, be a better self, if you can't be your best self and then, at least, 2-3 Becky-tier girls are going to like you. Otherwise, you'll be able to get a wife anyway, I don't have any doubts about it, because you're this type of person who's able to get university job, to make a good salary life and then maybe some woman will see you as a beta-buxx but it's not a very good option because she'll have an indirect interest being your wife; the better is when there is direct interest, i. e. when they like you for what you're not only for what you have. Sure, most of the females do mix the indirect interest and the direct interest, but still better than just indirect interest ("I will marry Lib because of his good uni salary!") ;D
But you are downplaying the detriment of being short though. I have seen countless shortcels who are way better than me in other aspects but they got filtered out again and again by girls and I concluded being short is a very serious disadvantage so that it's very likely that even if you are very good in other aspects, being short will still be an instant disqualifier for dating, although there are opposite examples for sure, but in general, you are way more likely to encounter with the former case. I am not being overpessimistic, and if I really can compensate, I will have stopped height dysphoria. And, I found out for some shortcels, they would forever feel inferior no matter how good they were in other aspects, since you can never change your height, but of course, it's of no use wasting your time on feeling sorry for your own height instead of working on other aspects of your life. This sounds sacrilegious but it is 100% true.
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But you are downplaying the detriment of being short though.
Only if you were a midget. For example, if you were a 1.10 m person, all I said maybe will be not that useful. But with your height, even in Shanghai you're closer to the middle height than to the midgets, so the maxx-es could work on you. Like now you're 10% attractive (from 100 girls only 10 may think you're cute) but if you add muscles, change your style (to the most contemporary fashions around or discover some own unique style), popularity-maxx (like you have got 1.5 million followers online) and so on, then you can rise it up to at least 25% (from 100 girls, 1/4 will like you; Some will still say "Nah, too short.", others will be like "Too nerdy!" and there will be those who are "Only GigaChad!!! I am a princess I want the best!" but still if you're popular, muscular, stylish and rich enough, there will be 1 of 4 or around it to say "Yes, this man is okay!" And maybe you'll get some additional % of those who will agree to be with you for a short-term thing like "one night stand", if it matters to you.)
I have seen countless shortcels who are way better than me in other aspects but they got filtered out again and again by girls
Depends on where. If they're in New Your or Shaghai and they deal with these princess syndrome type girls around (the majority, not all), then yes. But if you're in some town like 彰武 (Zhang wu), 库尔勒 (Kuerla; Korla), Akron or Santa Rosa then you will see at least 1/3 of the females who are not going to think first and most about your height (because, still, I mean you're not a typical shortcel but you may be if you're in Northern Europe or in some American place where the people are very tall.)
The height is mostly subjective (i. e. relative) -- as I told to that Scandinavian girl, if I am in her country I'll look to others like "a shortie" but if I am in South-East Asia (for example, in Laos) I'll be seen as a "tall European". That's why for the heightcels (no matter shortcels or tallcels) the best maxxing is geomaxx and then, if possible, everything else:
- gymmax (the second best)
- moneymaxx (the nearly universal equalizer)
- popularitymaxx (sometimes not a good choice if you want a quiet life)
- artmaxx (painting, musical instruments and singing, photography)
- etc. maxx :)
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Let me add only one more example. It's about the salary but the analogy is really strong and based! 8) When I came to China and my salary was around RMB 4000 most of the Chinese women from the big cities perceived me as a "poor foreigner", "a loser", "average income", "And you call yourself a successful man?!" but at that time, this income was a 3-4 times higher than the average (median) one in Bulgaria. There many people (males and females) was like "How?! Just like being a teacher?!", "You're damn lucky!", "I even can't earn RMB 40!", "You're a liar, maybe you're just a communist and the Party pays you that much, we all know you're a communist!!", "Wow! I want to be an English teacher in China too!", "Send me money, bro!"...
You see? The height is the same. In Shanghai you're not that tall, but in Laos or Equador, or Timor-Leste you're "Normal man" and even "He's tall." :) It's really relative.
But, yes, because you're heading to "Chadlands" ;D (the places where the Chad percentage is higher) you'll face some geominn in one or another degree, so without serious maxxing the locals (the majority I guess) will not give you a chance. But, as I said, later you may find a wife online, there is no need to search for a Chadland's female who'll probably will have higher standards.
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You have to remember that since I'm 1.50M anyone taller than that (even 1.51M) is tall to me lol.
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You're the lovely shortie of Scandinavia. :-*
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You're the lovely shortie of Scandinavia. :-*
I don't think I even sent you a picture of me ;D
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I just imagine. Shortie and cute.
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I just imagine. Shortie and cute.
I can send a picture if you want lol.
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Lexi (kitsune) is an outlier. The average height of a Norwegian female is 165.6 cm, but maybe later she may grow up a bit taller because now she's ~ 14.5 y. o. She will be as tall as (at least) her mother (usually the girls are taller than their mothers and shorter than their fathers).
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Lexi (kitsune) is an outlier. The average height of a Norwegian female is 165.6 cm, but maybe later she may grow up a bit taller because now she's ~ 14.5 y. o. She will be as tall as (at least) her mother (usually the girls are taller than their mothers and shorter than their fathers).
I'd say I'm 14.7 years old or around that as my birthday is in the summer.
I'm younger than everyone else in my class lol.
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So, maybe there is some chance to add some centimeter to your present height in the near future.
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Realistically.