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其它信息 / Re: 关于真的爱中国的穷外国哲学家(Geser Kurultaev) (Part 2 第二的)

« on: August 08, 2022, 04:45:58 AM »

 (Part 2 第二的)

@Marian ： "So get a job teaching philosophy at a University?" : Tried. No "Philosophy" in Haikou. In other places they need Doctor's degree.
 "And stop whinging about how you aren't allowed to legally teach English as a non native with a masters in philosophy."？？？？？？？？？？？？？？

缘豆儿:
NOBODY IS "whining"!!!

缘豆儿:
At least you didn't say "triggered"!!!

To notice A FACT isn't "whining"!!!

So, define well your understanding of the MAIN TERMS!

“Anyone can publish an ebook. Anyone can make a website. These aren't special skills." ---- I NEVER SAID THEY'RE ARE SPECIAL!!!

You just said that I am only a bottle&can collector, so I HAD TO explain AGAIN that I am: a 1. philosopher, 2. kind of webmaster, 3. poet, 4. polyglot, 5. writer, 6. author of some little discoveries (political, philosophical, etc.), 7. former journalist (newspapers and TV) in East Europe, 8. teacher... etc.!
So, DON'T think of me as an ordinary person who just have to leave China!
I DO LOVE CHINA AND THE CCP since I was 5!!!
I am well-educated and I am surely more genuine to PRC than many of you and many of the local people!!!
When SOME PEOPLE HERE ATTACKED YOU about your past of something, I kept silent! But now I am not going to keep silent!
关于不太懂英语的人：这个西方的女人说我不是什么特别的，中国不需要我，什么的！真是的啊！！！ 我又是哲学的专业，又是有自己的小发明（哲学的，政治学的，等），又写书，又会写诗，又以前在东欧做了记者（电视的，报纸的），又当了老师，又会几门外语的！
而且：我不像那些老外们--我不喝白酒，我不抽烟，我不吸毒，我热爱中国和中共的！
这个人不会说：“你就是个没有用的老外，中国不需要你！”她以为是谁啊？！
以前这边其他个（比她更有教育的外国女人）说了好多，好多不好的。我沉默了。我不要跟老外们矛盾，因为我自己觉得中国人对我是更有关系的，我自己觉得我的心，我的思想，什么的是已经中国人们一样的！我已经差不多19年住在中国！！！
所以跟这个女人不要再聊天，可是如果她再说的话，我也会回复她！
（其实，原来，我不要参加这个群，因为我不太像跟外国人联系。我自己已经中国化了！我就要中国国籍！我要当个真的中国人。但是我的国籍还是欧洲的，我真不喜欢这个国籍，可是没办法！我真的，真的希望有一天我会入中国国籍，后来不会再有这样的问题。）

吴 ： @王元秋  Can we stop it here?  Really it's a bad time for flooding

我：小姐，我不是flooding这里的。我就是要说明一下我的看法

吴： （posting the group rules）

我：而且，我原来不要来这里，因为我真的不太喜欢跟老外们联系。我来了在中国因为中国人，不是因为老外们。所以如果@王元秋  要的话，我会离开。我不需要看你们的批评中国的看法。刚才你们对中国的stickers开玩笑了，我没有说了什么。可是我真的讨厌老外们欺负我的最爱的中国！懂不懂?

吴：Pls read the rules of the group and move your monologues to somewhere else

我：It is NOT a monologue. It's an answer to another person!
And you right now played jokes with the Chinese COVID-19 stickers! Right?
Are you keeping the rules so strictly?
(quote:

I'll try to explain "reward nature of sticker" to our garden's security if they refuses let me in

)
Rules?
真是的你!
来了在中国只有利用本地的人民的资本，能力。一直批评，批评，开玩笑，欺负中国的和中共的！这样的老外们有什么用？！
我比你们更值得住这里，但是我就没钱做自己的公司。所以好多人以为我不行。可是原来我就是个最会爱中国的，中共的和中国人民的人。所以我从2004年住这里了--无所谓没有工作，无所谓穷，无所谓什么的。这个就是真的爱！

David: I think it might be best to focus on you, your present predicament and what you can do to improve your situation. That probably starts with you assessing your skills, honing your CVs and doing the arduous task of submitting them for vacancies for which your skills are required and that are open to foreigners. You must be smart enough to know that a love for China is not enough. I also love this country, but I didn't get very far here by complaining. I worked and continue to work very hard, and I have also had to adapt, change and continue improving my skills.

I do wish you all the best, and I hope luck goes your way.

We can give you support and advice, but please, don't come to a group asking for support and advice and then start spouting off. It is normal for anyone for feel frustrated at certain points in time, and also puzzled, confused, and yes, downright angry.

I think one is also able to express that (whether directly or as a joke) without it being viewed as anti-China rhetoric. I believe a vast majority of people here in this group, Chinese and foreigners alike, are supportive of and are willing to follow the epidemic prevention regulations, as it is in everybody's best interests to do so.

Peace, love and light

And good night


我：I do focus on myself and the present, and stuff. I just NOTICED some opinions that I didn't answer and I will give them the decent answer. (The main problem is that they still think I am more foreigner than Chinese... even after nearly 19 years in China + so much efforts to become a Chinese, when one of my forefathers are from China...) Of course, only love is not enough... what about my: education, skills, non-criminal record, much genuine support to China and the socialist/communist attitude? Doesn't it matter?...  I do agree to work hard even as a builder or a cleaner, but who gives me the opportunity?... Once you're poor, nobody cares... Honestly speaking the mosI loved and try to continue to love Chinese... my childhood dream: Mao ZeDong, Zhou EnLai, Bruce Lee, Li LianJie (Jet Li)... I didn't immigrate to USA, Germany or other western country like most of other Bulgarians... But I do also wish you the best because I know it: "Not every foreigner is a bad person." (有些外国佬是好人。) ---------------  I DIDN'T came to this group, I WAS FORCED TO COME (via phone calls)... I am living here since 2004, I don't need help -- I have a Chinese partner and relatives, I do speak Chinese... but I HAD TO JOIN IT... and then, one day, I decided to ask for some JOB HELP. (我希望了中国人会帮忙我，可是无所谓，因为已经华人帮忙了我。我认为华人也是中国的。很好！)

Please, you know that THAT WOMAN may make angry many of you! Even another foreigner said "Don't start with her, she will never stop." BUT I WILL START AND I WILL REPORT ALL OF THESE CHATS IN OTHER WEBSITES! I AM A 100% frank and honest man! 真的共产主义者。

As a jobless and hungry (literally) person, I am a BIT, a LITTLE sad... but I am just ANSWERING what YOU PEOPLE post... nothing more or less.

"are supportive of and are willing to follow the epidemic prevention regulations, as it is in everybody's best interests to do so. " -- 问题是，原来，大多数的老外们在外国和在这里不太理解，不太了解中国的中共，中国的人民。好多次可以看见他们叫中国人“chinks”, "yellow monkeys",什么的的。还有那个恶心的Winnie The Pooh东西。。。。。。 几天以前一个人说--如果老外说是爱中国的，这样是可笑的，什么的。哎呀！我真的受不了这类的人们，所以我说：我不属于外国人在中国的，因为我自己更像个中国人（喜欢中共的中国人），问题是我有外国国籍。我真的希望有一天我会入中国国籍，因为西方是越来越坏的。

Peace, love and light -- Yes, of course! 社会主义核心价值观就是这样。I do support this view... You just think a bit carefully: WHO STARTED IT? She... (A man even said "Don't start with her, she is not going to stop.", but as a person who is 100% willing to say the Truth, I WILL ANSWER HER. Even banned here, we'll continue this in another place...

而且我再说一次：原来我不要参加老外在中国的群，因为我自己已经中国通了，我已经18年多住在这里，我有中国伙伴，我懂汉语（中文），我热爱中共。对我这样的群是没有什么用。只有看老外们的欺负中国，开玩笑对中国人，中共，人民，什么的？对我有什么意思？！有什么用的？！我的问题就是我没有中国国籍。我讨厌我的东欧的国籍，可是没办法。。。。。。


@王宛之 “He is kind of hopeless ”  那，你非常hopefull, 就好了。 Oh... I am "a kind of hopeless"... Good for you that you're a kind of hopefull... I really wonder if you weren't with Chinese citizenship what kind of job and realization you can have NOWADAYS in China... Especially if you was with a citizenship (passport) from a country which is a member of EU, NATO and a servant of the USA and, in fact, almost everyone in PRC will think of you as an "enemy"... (In fact, I do not like NATO, USA, etc. 其实我不喜欢北约，美国，等，可是我的国籍（护照）就是从这类的国家。我要入中国国籍，可是不知道这么办。)


To be continued (probably)...

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其它信息 / 关于真的爱中国的穷外国哲学家(Geser Kurultaev)

« on: August 08, 2022, 04:29:15 AM »

关于真的爱中国的穷外国哲学家(Geser Kurultaev)

英文和中文的：

我：Since my childhood I started to like China and I learned a lot about the Chinese culture, socialism and so on. When I had the opportunity to find my first job (in 2004) as an English teacher I decided at once to come and to teach English (regardless of that I'm a philosopher with Master's degree and I preferred to work something more related to my major). For me it was enough to be in China and I really hoped that I can get a Chinese citizenship and become a Chinese (something like the minorities from Xinjiang because one of my forefathers are coming from there, thousand years ago, when they migrated to East Europe). Well, recently I hoped that if I can't obtain a Chinese citizenship, at least I can get a Chinese green card because I'm already completing the necessary conditions...

The only problem is that recently I can't find a work visa as an English teacher (because I'm not a native English speaker and the new law is limiting the non-native speakers), I can't start my own business because I'm not that rich (no enough initial capital and I can't find anybody from my relatives, friends and ex-students who wish to invest in my business ideas) and I even can't find an ordinary job with work visa (I don't mind to work as a cleaner, a waiter or anything else like this because I'm not picky when it comes to job). I'm an educated person, I'm a good person (protecting animals, giving charity, collecting bottles to help the environment, never pick fights, do not insult people, every time helping people when it's possible, never drink hard alcohol, never smoke; also I like reading and I do write some e-books and articles). Even though, no company can give me work visa (because they can't hire foreigners and/or because they don't need foreigners). I feel more and more desperate and unwelcome because I just can't stay like this forever in China -- I need a legal job... Is there at least one person who can help me to achieve my China dream?

(My short resume: a philosopher (East-European university Master's degree) who speaks several languages, an author of a few e-books, a poet and an amateur webmaster who also graduated in some sport disciplines recently. 46 y. o.) Any kind of job with a work visa is going to be okay for me.








Andy: You can start a consulting company and offer adult English courses, for example. Foreign invested companies do not need to have their share capital paid in right away. You have time for this. Don't give up!

David: @G you can speak to HB

Da Ge Zi: Lots of Chinese export oriented companies need web hosting with an English profile - since you have webmaster skills

Randy: in Haikou it costs max 2,000 yuan and 2 weeks to open a company

JGI: +1, opening a company isnt expensive. Teaching normally is a no no. And many companies opened this way were closed. You can't do "low level" job in China, there is a list of what you can't do. Opening one isnt too complicated now but still take times to get all the paper for the visa. I post here a guy you can ask question about opening company. It cost will cost a bit more than 2000 as you need an accountant and a proper place for business but frankly its doable. @G  

+


I think Umberto can help u too (guess he is here)

Da Ge Zi: What is his profession?

JGI: both of them helps foreigner to open company, not sure if he does other stuff too

Da Ge Zi: Accountant?

JGI: u need one for your company, dont even try to do yourself. Giving yourself a salary is already a pain in the ass haha.


我: I just have no capital to open a company, dear people. Even a small one. @Da Ge Zi , are they going to provide me with a work visa? (And also I think my webmaster skills are not good enough because I can deal only with HTML and BBcode.)

JGI: About doing website, without php / java / css and especially python nowadays, no need to even think about it.

Yes, you're right. In China I can't become even a cleaner or a seller in a shop... no matter that I spend so many years here, I speak the language, I do not do illegal things and I'm comparatively well educated... So, I just wondered if there is at least 1 person who is able to give me a legal job opportunity (because I can't see I have some problem except I am poor and a non-native English speaker)...

David: He's the go-to guy for business consulting

Norbert: Umberto is here, I saw him at the show last week.

Yes. The website expectations are higher and higher. And there is even a joke about the average costumer: "You'are a webmaster, huh? OKAY, I WANT A WEBSITE! JUST SOMETHING LIKE GOOGLE BUT a bit better!"

Da Ge Zi: Check if any companies from your native country want 'boots on the ground' in China for imports/exports, since you are fluent in Mandarin, know the culture etc

If you feel overqualified for Hainan, search jobs in Guangzhou or Shenzhen

@Da Ge Zi thank you for the idea but I tried it long time ago. My country is from the poor ones and it's difficult to find somebody like that. Also they can't provide me Chinese work visa for sure (what I hope to have now). But thank you, anyway!

我: And thanks to all of the others who spent some time to communicate with me and to give me some chance! I am touched! (我很感动!)


Da Ge Zi: Where are you from?

我： Bulgaria (保加利亚共和国) -- the poorest member of the EU.

Da Ge Zi: Bulgaria has nice agricultural products. I bet it imports various things from China.

Bulgaria has about the same per capita GDP as China

Don't let past failures discourage you. Keep fighting

PM me

我：
GDP means nothing when most of the people there are wondering how to pay their electricity bills... You know, it's about the GINI index: 基尼系数（英文：Gini index、Gini Coefficient）是指国际上通用的、用以衡量一个国家或地区居民收入差距的常用指标。除了收入基尼系数（Income Gini）之外，还有一种财富基尼系数（Wealth Gini）。

The problem is that GDP, when it goes only to a small group of the people, means nothing special. Many people over there are around or under the poverty line.

And nearly 1/4 of the population already lives abroad because just can't stand the crisis there (political, economical, cultural, etc. crisis)

Da Ge Zi: Please PM me

我：Bulgaria was a very good and developed country till 1989. (We had FREE hospitals, FREE schools and universities, CHEAP medicines, etc. We had a real DEVELOPED Socialistic society) Later -- no more USSR, no more socialism... but: capitalism, "democracy", NATO... and now it's where it is...


OK, I will, thank you！

Added.

Andy: Well, China also does not have the "iron rice bowl" mentality either. You'll have to adapt, friend, and maybe review your outlook on life. Just reading this chat, I notice that most of your replies are "can't" rather than "yes, I can"...

王宛之:
@Andy 🇨🇭 Yes. He is:
He is kind of hopeless
...

我：
@Andy 🇨🇭 the "can't" is objective. It's not that I can't -- the objective reality is CAN'T. For example, the current Chinese law about the English teachers.

I was a legal English teacher years ago. Then, suddenly, the law changes and said -- well, you're not from a native English language country, so you can't teach kids anymore...

About that the economy in Bulgaria isn't so good and there are a lot of poor people, it's also something OUT OF MY CONTROL.

Andy: @G I didn't mean to attack you personally, apologies. Hope you can find a positive outlook to life and become successful in your business ventures

我：So, if it's about Chinese laws or Bulgarian economics, I am not the one who can CONTROL it. My "locus of control" isn't what you think -- I am a hard-working man and I do agree to be even a cleaner. It's just not that easy for a non-native English speaker from a poor country who is poor himself.
Also, as a philosopher, I am able to control my optimism/pessimism levels and to be objective (what I really can and what I really should do)... but try being me -- even no money to go to cinema, restaurants... eating 3 onions (for lunch and breakfast) and begging for jobs around (I even don't want more than 3000-4000 yuan salary)...and you'll see that it's not only "an attitude" problem.
Adapt. This is what I do since 2004 here... And that's why I am still alive, even with my poor diet... I somehow survive. For example, I do sell empty bottles and cans... NO OTHER FOREIGNER IS SELLING this and the Chinese ask me: "Wow?! You also sell it?"... but I do. Believe me, I do adapt 100%...


Marian: Unfortunately for you, China doesn't want poor foreigners who are going to sell empty bottles and cans

我："find a positive outlook to life": Sure. I do. You see -- now I ate my 3 onions and I drank a cup of green tea. My dinner is going to be something like 1 cucumber... And during this time I will do sports, I will learn Chinese... I am a positive person. I don't go to fight or to curse... I just hoped that someone will help me with an ORDINARY job... It's not an attitude problem. Otherwise I can't be a philosopher who speaks several languages and have published some books + a person who is still living in China even without enough food and other things... (and who is often blamed for "你这个老外怎么那么穷？！" I do my best, trust me.)

(Marian) , yes. BUT don't pigeonhole me.

pigeonhole
英[ˈpɪdʒɪnhəʊl]
美[ˈpɪdʒɪnhoʊl]
n.   信件格; 开口文件格;
vt.   将(某人)轻率分类; 主观划分(某人)为; 搁置; 将…束之高阁; 不予处理;
[例句]The whole expansion plan is pigeonhole.
整个扩建计划被搁置起来了。
[其他]   第三人称单数：pigeonholes 复数：pigeonholes 现在分词：pigeonholing 过去式：pigeonholed 过去分词：pigeonholed

Marian: here are plenty of "loopholes" for people with advanced degrees from their home countries to teach those subjects but, and I say this as a native English speaker who chooses not to teach because I'm a shit teacher, there really isn't any reason for the country to want a random non-native to teach English when a Chinese person can fill that role

我：
I am not ONLY a poor man who sells bottles and cans. I am also a: 1) Author of 4 e-books, 2) Master's at Philosophy, 3) a poet, 4) a polyglot, 5) a socialist, 6) a webmaster with some websites... 我知道他们会以为这个不够。可是呢，我不是只有个“穷人”。

I don't want to comment the new English (English language education) laws. I just wanted to say that if I can be at least a teacher or a cleaner, I will do it. The problem is there are NOT enough jobs for people like me (I am well educated and I am an honest man, but still... not good enough for China. Right?)

And I meant that to one period to be an English teacher was a good option to me; not it's already not... so I beg the people around if they can help me. Some already tried... that's all.

Marian: You keep saying you are educated. Masters Degree or PhD?

我：你们，看来，大多数是有钱的，成功的外国人。很好。可是我不是的。所以，我就求求人家，如果有合法的机会给我这个机会，因为我真的爱中国，社会主义，等，可是没有收入的话，很困难。

Marian: You keep mentioning the e-books. So what? Last year one of my clients paid me CNY 50k for a vanity press translation of a science fiction novel that he has since decided not to publish.

David: The source of your problems isn't China's rules.
The bar for obtaining a work permit/RPw is 'a foreigner with skillsets and qualifications who can fill a gap in the Chinese labour market that cannot be readily filled by a Chinese citizen'.
Almost all countries have the same kind of requirements when determining whether or not a foreign citizen can work in their country.
Do you have the skills and qualifications that make you viable to fill a role in the local labour market that cannot be filled by a local resident?
You mentioned that you want to apply for Chinese citizenship/green card and that you meet the conditions for applying for a green card, so why don't you?

我：I keep saying it because you understood only the part about I sell cans and bottles. Yes I HAVE TO emphasize that FIRSTLY I am a philosopher(Master's) + many other things... My "sell empty bottles and cans" is not what I am in the first place. 你就不会随便说：“你就是个乞丐，所以中国不要你了。”我除了”乞丐“也是个哲学家，诗人，做网站的人，写书本的人，等。拜托。

Marian: So get a job teaching philosophy at a University?

王宛之: True

Marian: And stop whinging about how you aren't allowed to legally teach English as a non native with a masters in philosophy.

Anyone can publish an ebook. Anyone can make a website. These aren't special skills.


David: Because they don't need you.

我:
"You mentioned that you want to apply for Chinese citizenship/green card and that you meet the conditions for applying for a green card, so why don't you? " -- Still didn't complete the "money in the bank" part and the work visa (stable income) part.

THAT'S IT! So, I wanted in this group to ask EXACTLY this: if someone may need me. Because I know what they need... and I am not something like: very rich foreigner, an AI master, a rocket scientist, a nuclear weapon scientists, etc. I am just an ordinary philosopher who write some things online and have some knowledge... I know it's "not enough for China". And still, I do love China and the Socialism, so I try to the end to be in China.

David: Sorry, I'm not being mean, it's a fact.
As the founder and general manager of a company that hires people, I can tell you that I will always try to hire from the local labour force first.
Hiring a foreign employee is a headache. If you were to start your own company (which is still an avenue for you), you would be able to experience the process first hand.
If you started your own company, went on 抖音 to talk about how much you love China, I'm sure you could be the next Nathan Rich (a.k.a. 火锅大王)
What skills do you have and what role do you think you could fill in the labour market?

我："I can tell you that I will always try to hire from the local labour force first." -- It makes great economics sense. Of course, usually, people do so because the locals are cheaper and more convenient. For example, they don't need so high salaries and they do not visas and so on. As you said "hiring a foreigner is a headache"... (And here come the laws/rules too... Objective factors, no way to avoid them.)我真的爱中国。无所谓谁爱不爱我，我不会骗人我爱中国。I really love China and I can't say "because some guys hate China, I will hate it too". No way. China is my childhood love. Well, now I see I was too idealistic about it, but I am still a Chinese fan.

"What skills do you have and what role do you think you could fill in the labour market? "

1. Understand many languages: Macedonian, Russian, Chinese, English, Bulgarian, Tatar, etc. Learning more.

David: I believe you're imagining the EU with its freedom of movement and the (often illegal) immigration of people from central and south American countries to the USA/Canada. Those are the two scenarios I can imagine where foreigners fill roles like janitors and wait staff at restaurants.

2. Have some own little discoveries and ideas about the philosophy and politics, human nature (probably not useful for the most of the businesses).

3. Able to write long articles and books; poems... literature oriented person. (It means I can write ads too, to be a PR of a company...)

4. In good shape (not fat, some muscles, training martial arts) -- not a figher or a bully - I mean I can edure hard labour job like "move the table and the sofa" and "bring the cement and the stones here"...

5. Not alcohol drinker, no drugs, no smoking -- not going to cause troubles in the office or to insult the female stuff.

6. Already worked in many places: TV, newspapers, restaurants, schools...

That's it. An ordinary person.

David: I think you could be an asset to a language service provider, if you have the requisite language skills and evidence backing up those skills (certificates etc.)

"I believe you're imagining the EU with its freedom of movement and the (often illegal) immigration of people from central and south American countries to the USA/Canada. " -- NO! I imagine Japan, Cambodia,... You see a guy from Bulgaria is a bar worker in Japan. Another one is a teacher in Thailand... third one is a cleaner in Macao (SAR Macao)... this is what I imagine. I don't like the West that much, I am an Asian oriented person.

Maybe. Thanks. All depends of the good luck. There was a study which proves that even the most gifted people without good luck are nothing special... I'll share it with you, people. (And once again --- thanks a lot for the time and the attention! I am touched and I don't want to insult or to say bad things to anybody. I don't know why one guy said that to respond here is wrong and stuff. I just respect  you all.)

maybe this one: https://www.forbes.com/sites/adigaskell/2018/04/02/what-role-does-luck-play-in-success/

There were some similar studies that just found out that it's not only "hard work + study" and you're okay... It depends who will give you the job, what kind of parents you'll have, how good is the country you're in, are there risks on the streets and so on... In a word: "A lucky not very skillful" > "Unlucky skillful".


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To be continued...

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / "101 Posts 25 Topics" already

« on: August 04, 2022, 04:52:36 PM »

 Hello! Well, there are already "100 posts in 25 topics". After this one there will be 101 posts in 25 topics. This is a good beginning indeed. But considering that incels are (especially online) people who're mostly teenagers and young men, we can't expect here to come many of them because:
 1. not every incel is a person with relatively high IQ. Only people with relatively high IQ will be able to find this forum and to register (the registration in this forum is comparatively difficult in order to prevent the spambots).
 2. not every incel is a good person (even some of the originally good incels are getting radicalized because of those extremists and murderers like George Sodini, Elliot Rodger, Alek Minassian and others, and because of the blackpill theory which is the most pessimistic, fatalistic and if not combined with other theories (in which case could be a good part of a better theory) is leading to hopelessness, sadness, anger and other negative psychological and social issues.)
 3. even for the comparatively good and normal incels it'll be challengeable to follow the rules of non-hate and civilized communication here.
 So, I suppose, that maybe around 80% of the incels are not coming here and/or not going to remain here for a longer period of time. If the rest 20% are here, well, then it'll be a great success for this normal incels without hate project.

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Re: The main reasons of the inceldom

« on: July 30, 2022, 06:20:18 PM »

  I would say that there are subjective and objective reasons for the inceldom. Maybe we should talk about the different inceldoms (different kinds of inceldom according to the reasons).
 Some subjective (controllable) reasons: shyness (when it's the only reason or one of the main reasons, i. e. when we're talking about sort of mentalcel (mentalcelness)), bad hygiene (also when it's the only reason or one of the main reasons), laziness (reason itself for many problems in the life, not only for inceldom; for example health problems, obesity, poverty, etc.)
 Some subjective (uncontrollable or only theoretically controllable) reasons: shortness (when the person is too short for the present standards, i. e. a shortcel (shortcelness)), disability (when nobody around is willing to be with a disabled person (disabledcel) and when still there is no cure for this disability), poverty (in the areas where it's impossible to escape the poverty, i. e. poorcel (poorcelness)), old age (when one is too old, i. e. oldcel (oldcelness) according to the present standards), etc.
 Objective reasons:: higher females' standards in most places around the world (about the looks, wealth, etc.), more choice for the females due to the developed internet connectivity in many places around the world, male:female ratio (in some places males outnumber females), i]polygamy[/i] (still in lot of countries around the world), lesbianism (female homosexuality),  etc.

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Other languages / До glishev от forumnauka.bg

« on: July 28, 2022, 06:31:35 PM »

Отговор на Глишев от forumnauka.bg

  Преди години човек с ник glishev (предполагам, че на кирилица и с правилно изписване, с главна буква, на фамилията, това е "Глишев") писал

О, Господи, защо феновете на тюрко-алтайската теория са все отбор... да не уточнявам какви? Или ще е Иван Добрев, който и да има добра идея, ще я изкаже на лош български и по възможност ще обиди някого, или ще е Гесер Курултаев, който очевидно е със соц-забежки, или ще е някой млад монголофил, който смята (пра)българите за идентични с монголите?

На тая теория й трябват някак по-сериозни фенове.

^{Източник https://www.forumnauka.bg/topic/9178-монголите-и-българите-прилики-и-разлики/}
 Става дума за тема относоно прилики и разлики между монголи и българи (авторът явно визира прабългарите, а не точно днешните славяноезични българи). Та въпросният Глишев там недоволства (през 2010 година), че видите ли Гесер Курултаев е проблемен за алтайската (тюркската) теория за произхода на прабългарите понеже е със "соц-забежки". Пояснявам, че става дума за "социалистически забежки". Политическите възгледи, явно са проблем за Глишев, който... какво очаква всъщност? Всички да сме с неговите любими политически възгледи (които не знам какви са, а и не ме вълнува това особено), ако отстояваме неговата любима историческа теория? Ами, ако утре му се прииска и поддръжниците на любимата му историческа теория за прабългарите и да са с еднакви на неговите не само политически, но и кулинарни, естетически и каквито други се сетите вкусове? Не е ли "малко" прекалено?
 Не, не мисля, че човек, ако има социалистически идеи (за безплатно образование и здравеопазване, повече сигурност и справедливост, и пр.) е лош човек или човек, който посрамва с нещо; уврежда с нещо на исторически и други научни теории. В края на краищата всеки е свободен да си има собствени политчески убеждения, разбирания, а социалистическите са едни от най-хуманните. Така че, Глишев (ако след толкова години не е порастнал, да е жив и здрав) да вземе да порастне и да не пише такива неща, които са все едно с произход възраст 4-5 годинки.

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Don't think that the bluepill is totally useless

« on: July 19, 2022, 06:32:05 PM »

The Metapill is the best but here is why not to ignore the bluepill

by Geser Kurultaev (philosopher-anthropologist and incelologist)

  Recently there are speculations that the one and only right inceldom philosophy (theory) is the blackpill theory. Some incels' communities even tend to become a cult (a sect; a dogma) where anything else which is non-blackpillism is wrong, naive, "bluepilled" and so on.
 In fact there are many other theories, the reality is not only white and black (or only blackpill and bluepill). There are the redpill, the whitepill, the purplepill, etc.
 I'm not a defender of the bluepill and I wand to emphasize that I'm the founder of the metapill theory (What's the metapill theory and method). It is a realism oriented theory which, in combination with the philosophy of the atleastism, is the base of the book of mine How to Escape the Inceldom: A QUICK GUIDE TO Deincelization.
 The metapill uses the good, the right, the realistic points of the all of so-called "pills" (like the realism of the redpill, the blackpill scientific facts without their wrong pessimistic interpretations, the true points of the bluepill platitudes without its baseless optimism and so on) and here is what is good to be not neglected from the bluepill.

Yes, the bluepill is full of baseless optimism and boring platitudes but it doesn't make it totally wrong or totally useless

 If the blackpill is full of negative and too pessimistic interpretations of some true scientific facts, that bluepill is full of positive and too optimistic views of some simple truths. Still, these doesn't make it 100% useless or wrong. What is really wrong is to ignore it and to forget that it's the base without escaping the inceldom (a.k.a. ascending; to ascdend) is difficult or impossible.
 It's really sad that some of the most blackpilled (indoctrinated with the blackpillism dogmatic cult) incels are starting completely to avoid elementary bluepilled truths like "brush your teeth" and "take more showers" which makes worse their health and which totally minn-s their chances for ascending.
 

Some concrete examples about the useful bluepill's platitudes

 I like to be helpful for all incels around the world and that is why I do use the incels' slang or jargon words in my inceldom articles; that is why I give even elementary examples because I want to make sure that even those with the lowest IQs are getting the meaning and increasing their chances to ascend. And here are coming the concrete examples:
 

• "Improve your personality, bro!" Only personality is useless but a bad personality (character), in the middle to long run will affect even the so-called Prettyboys, Brads and Chads. Moreover, if you're an incel, especially an uglycel you can't afford the luxury of being "ugly + bad" because it will completely minimize your chances for ascending. Read more about it in "A billionaire can afford to gamble $100 000, a poor man can't afford to gamble". = "A Chad can afford to have many flaws, an incel can't afford to have any flaws".
  . So, forget about fake maxx-es like "thugmaxx", "jailmaxx", "drugsmaxx", "alcoholmaxx" and other degenerating your real chances bad ideas.
  Remember that the bad personality (hostile, rude, etc.) makes even the most attractive, beautiful, handsome, charming people to become less and less popular, hated and having more and more enemies.
• "Take more showers, bro!" The good hygiene helps your body to stay healthy. Most of the people prefer healthy partners. Also the showering improves your immune system which keeps you younger and healthier, makes your skin better and makes you feel a bit better too. That's why don't become one of those smelly and disgusting self-minimizing incels who even doesn't brush their teeth. Wash yourself, take more showers, brush your teeth because even a Chad or Gigachad is not going to have success if he's a dirty, smelly person who really stinks.
• "Be confident, bro!" Only confidence can't guarantee you success. But without it, especially if you're not a very attractive Prettyboy or Chad, or something like that, you're not going to be noticed at all. You can afford to be too shy and not confident if you're one of those Chads, Prettyboys and others that just stay and the females are coming to chat with them or to ask them for autographs by themselves. But, as an incel, you're not. So you should include the confidencemaxx to your other good maxxing efforts (gymmaxx, studymaxx, moneymaxx, geomaxx, etc.)
• "Find a good job and it'll be okay, champ!" Sure, only a job is not a decision but being jobless (unemployed) is a bad thing, especially if you're a poorcel. Even the Chads, in many countries and regions, when are jobless, without incomes, poor and beggars are not going to attract even a single female. So, you need at least a job if you can't make some good business online and/or offline.
• "Hit the gym, bro!", "Just do cross training, bro!" are one of the best platitudes because they're more helpful than you think. Before believing some wrong sayings like "There is no gym for your face.", read that the gym and the face problem explained.
• "Haircuts, bro!" Well, even the worst haircut is better than a messy oily hair. Or if you're balding just shave it to look a bit better and a bit younger. Don't leave your hair (head), beard, etc. without care.
• "Smile, be positive!" Not everyone has a good smile so it's subjective, but still, everyone can try to be more positive. This improves his chances with some percent. it's helpful for his/her relationships and for his/her own feelings.
• "Sense of humor, bro!" It's a thing that works well (of course with the combination with some more maxxes), that's why even some of the most blackpilled incels do know that there is something like "jestermaxx".
• "Good listening skills, man!" This may sound like a joke for you, and surely, only this is not enough at all, but you have to keep in mind that it may increase you some points and to take you closer to the person you like. If you don't improve yourself and just rely on this, of course, you may become just an orbiter.
• Intelligence (high-IQ). It's a proven undoubtful fact that it's better to be intelligent than stupid. The low-IQ animals have less chances to avoid problems. The same is valid for the people. An ugly and stupid person will end up worse than an ugly but intelligent person who may improve himself/herself and to avoid many troubles; to solve many problems in his/her life.
• "Be kind, be polite." A much better choice for an incel than to be the opposite and to disgust more than usual. Remember the rule -- do your best and use all these to maxx yourself, not to minn yourself.

As a conclusion, I can say that implying all these bluepilled platitudes in your life (improving your personal hygiene, character, social position, income (capital), knowledge and so on) will surely maxx you and if you're like a 2/10 (in a decile scale), you may become a 3/10. After this, with more maxxes (gymmaxx, healthmaxx, geomaxx/locationmaxx, etc.) you may become a 5/10 or a 6/10, in some cases even up to 7/10 or 8/10 (depends on your genetics, hard work, background and luck, there are many factors when it comes to the ascending and the improving at all). For more, see the Maxx Law.
 

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Re: If You Are an Incel, Why Do You Think You Became One?

« on: July 19, 2022, 05:05:06 PM »

 There are different reasons. Usually there is more than one. I am a nearcel probably. My personal reasons:

• Visual: age, hair, height, race (in some cases)
• Social: location (in some cases), money (in many cases)

 But I am doing non-stop self-improvements (softmaxx) like: gymmaxxing (cross training), healtmaxxing (eating and drinking wisely), studymaxxing + edumaxx (learning more and more about the human nature, current news, history, anthropology, psychology, sociology, philosophy, foreign languages and many more; graduating in more majors).
 So, I should say to all the incels who're thinking of giving up and "It never begins for me" -- just don't give up and do the right things!

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / "There is no gym for your face!" is not completely true

« on: July 19, 2022, 04:56:47 AM »

Don't believe that "There is no gym for your face!" is 100% true

 There is a blackpilled, pessimistic, platitude "There is no gym for your face!". Don't believe that it's 100% true. It's not; at least it's not completely true. See how and why: the gym and the face problem.

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Re: I don't like Incels.is

« on: July 19, 2022, 04:33:08 AM »

The problem of that website is the arbitrarily moderation, the presence of some (obviously) mental disordered incels and radicalized incels. Also there is something like "becoming a cult" (blackpill cult; blackpillism), which is a bad thing because it limits the rest of the theories (like the much more objective redpill (redpillism) and makes some useful bluepill platitudes to sound like they're not useful. For instance just because "Hit the gym." or "Take a shower." are not enough for most incels to escape the inceldom, some blackpilled incels become to think that to be fit and to be clean is pointless and they do ruin their health with obesity and low hygiene.)
 Other problems -- the ostracism (if an incel ascends he's getting banned instead to be congratulated and to be used to teach the others what helped him and how he made it.), the potential causing of social problems (suicides, crimes) because of the radicalization of a part of the incels.

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Re: What do you expect from this new incels forum

« on: July 19, 2022, 04:19:13 AM »

 To learn more about the human nature and concretely about the inceldom itself.
 To meet many new good people.

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / Re: For those REALLY LUCKY incels who're having a date but don't know what to talk

« on: July 19, 2022, 04:16:23 AM »

Believe it or not, if you're a good student in school you can also learn many topics for conversation from your lessons. For example, from this English lesson:

Have a conversation about...

the qualities you look for in a friend.

some responsibilities you have at the moment.

how many friends you have.

your favourite sport to play.

what love means to you.

the people you live with.

your happiest memory.

what would happen if you won the lottery.

your favourite ice-cream flavour.

your unhappiest memory. (I don't recommend that unless the person you're with would like to share about it by herself/himself.)

something you are scared of.

which three wishes you would choose.

someone special in your life.

one thing you love about yourself.

who you would take with you on a spaceship to the moon.

who you would like to hug right now.

one thing you would change about your life.

something that is worrying you.

something you wish you had not done.

what you are good at.

your favourite holiday destination.

which superpower you would choose.

what you want to be when you are older.

your favourite famous person.

where you would like to live, if you could live anywhere in the world.

who you see as your role model.

something you would like to learn to do.

a time a friend let you down.

the best things about your family.

something you have taught someone else to do.

which animal you would like to be.

what your bedroom looks like.

the best present you ever gave to someone.

your earliest memory.

the best present you have ever received.

your siblings, or being an only child.

what you do in the summer holidays.

your favourite TV show.

a time you felt sad.

Some of these are too childish for many of the adults and others are not very good for a person who you meet for the first time. Still, mostly, they're useful.

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A forum for incels who are normal people (no terrorists, no rapists, no racists, no pedophiles, no haters and so on) / The difference

« on: July 19, 2022, 03:56:04 AM »

The difference(-s):


1. There:

This is a forum for male involuntary celibates, single men who have trouble finding a significant other.

Here: This is a forum (sub-forum; board) for involuntary celibates and all of the rest males and females, who are interested in the matter called "inceldom" and who are keeping the ethic norms.

2. There:

MEMBERSHIP​
Incel (Allowed):
A man who desires a romantic relationship but is unable to enter one.
Women and LGBT Individuals (Not allowed):
Banned on sight, no exceptions. This is a heterosexual male-only forum.
Non-incel (Not allowed):
Even if interested in blackpill philosophy, the community has voted not to allow non-incels.

Here: Incels, non-incels (noncels), nearcels, LGBT individuals (including gaycels), females, femcels (Allowed)
          Racists, terrorists, killers, murders, hitlerists, nazists, chauvinists, drug related individuals, gun related individuals, porn related individuals, spammers, religious fanatics, extremists and some others who're banned in different countries. (Not allowed)

 There:

Note that moderators will consider rules on a case-by-case basis.

Here: The rules will be as stable as possible.

 There:

Do not discuss or request personal romantic or sexual experiences, even if they happened long ago. Discussion of paid sex is allowed as an exception, as the community has voted to allow it.

Here: Romantic experience to be discussed is okay. Sexual (free one or paid one) -- not okay!

 There:

Discussion of personal romantic/sexual experiences outside of the forum may result in a warning or ban.

Here: You're a free person; we don't follow you outside of the forum, so we don't know and don't need to know what do you discuss in other online and offline places.

 There:

Do not LARP; there is a difference between withholding your experiences and pretending that they never happened.
Behavior:

Here: Pretending... think twice if it's useful or not. Be a reasonable person no matter what.

 There:

Do not persecute, harass, or attack others.

Here: The same. (And the difference is that we're going to keep this rule very strictly!)

 There:

Do not humble-brag, such as by subtly praising your own features ("I'm incel even though I'm muscular and 6'2").

Here: Feel free to brag if you have some good achievements which will stimulate the other members to follow your way of achieving something good.

 There:

Do not troll, bait, proselytize, post platitudes, mass tag users, or necropost (i.e., do not post in inactive threads older than ~1 month unless you have something to contribute - plain agreement, mere quoting, and meaningless one-liners don't qualify as contributing).

Here: trolling (no), bait (depends on what is it about; if it's scam or spam, or something other negative, of course not), poselytize (okay, you may try to do it in a logical and friendly manner, if you have your good arguments), platitudes (no problem, if you like them), mass tag (if not for spam purposes, it's alright), necropost (yes, you can do it as much as you want, but with something meaningful, not with spam purpose or something else that will just lead you to the ban list).

 There:

You can only have one account, do not make more. Do not share your account, or post on behalf of other users.

Here: If you want two or more accounts, let us know "Why?" before it. The best is only one when you're a user, isn't it?

 There:

Do not post low effort, spam, advertisement, or in all-caps.
Do not ask to be rated or post selfies.
Do not worship or praise people (i.e. do not put people on a pedestal or post pictures admiring them).
Do not cherrypick (e.g. posting an unattractive man with a girlfriend to generalize and try to prove a point).
Use the [NSFW] tag if your thread has shocking content, but use it sparingly.
Do not post illegal content. If in doubt, don't post it.
Do not post bluepilled content of any kind.
Do not sexualize pre-pubescent minors in any way, shape, or form.
No gay or LGBT content, unless you're criticising it.

Here: Low effort is okay, but spam, advertisement (if not in the "Free Ads" board) and in all-caps are not okay.
To be rated or post selfies is okay, as far as you try to hide at least some parts of your face. Nobody want you to be doxxed, right?
Take care of your online privacy and safety!
You can worship or praise people (i.e. do put people on a pedestal or post pictures admiring them) if you like somebody that much.
You can cherrypick but the higher IQ users will tell you that it's not right.
NO NSFW content!
Do not post illegal content at all! (Ban at once!)
Bluepilled content of any kind is okay. We're open for all the pills because the best is the metapill (the combination of all good and right points of all the so-called "-pills" and adding non-pill knowledge to them.)
No pedophilic or semi-pedophilic content!
Gay or LGBT content is okay, unless you are not forcing the heterosexual people to become gays, lesbians, bisexual, transsexual and so on (and unless it's not pornographic, of course).

There:

This is a forum for men who can't get a partner and feel sad about it. Seeing romantically successful people brag about their experiences on the forum would be insulting, and would only exacerbate the issue.

Here: Here is also a forum for men who can't get a partner and feel sad about it but also for the women who can't get a partner and also feel sad about it. We're not a sexist forum! Successful people bragging about their experiences is not insulting as far as they're contributing something to the inceldom problems, knowledge and they're useful for the incelology, philosophical anthropology, psychology and other related sciences.

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Animals / A grey butterfly on a tree

« on: July 16, 2022, 05:49:34 AM »

A gray butterfly on a tree

  A gray butterfly (grey butterfly) on a tree. A photo:

It's interesting.  I like butterflies.

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Social network | SEO - Social network / Re: Can we start a new incels forum to compete with that discriminative Incels.is?

« on: July 16, 2022, 05:09:58 AM »

 Sorry for all of that!
 Well, now, in my role of a real incelologist (a person who majored in Philosophy, philosophical anthropology (especially the human love) and someone who studies the inceldom and incels closely) I'd like to say that it's a good idea as far as we're trying to bring more sense and objectivity in this problem.
 I'm strongly opposing cult incel forums like the one in question where the black pill pessimism (determinism, fatalism) is the only respected theory and where the incels usually practice incel canibalism (instead to develop themselves they do attack each other) and aggression towards groups of people like misogyny, racism (antislavism, antisemitism, racism, self-hatred and so on).
 I do support the pity incels but at the same time I know there are some psychopaths, sociopaths, even terror-oriented people amongst them so, we should try to educate them how to become normal citizens and how to deal better in their life. This is the only right way for them to ascend (escape the inceldom) successfully.
 Good luck to the new incel community! I'll continue to contribute to this community as far as I have enough energy and as long as I have some free time.

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Social network | SEO - Social network / Answer to another guest

« on: July 16, 2022, 04:56:04 AM »

 I don't know why there so many guests are posting; maybe they are lazy to log in or maybe they're afraid that the abnormal Alexandra administrator will ban them for no reason... but, whatever. The next answer of mine is to another guest who said "Tutor private students from the moneyed classes."
 Dear guest, thank you for the idea! I am not sure what are these "moneyed" classes you're typing about but, usually, currently it is what I can do; it's my main income (to be a teacher and an advisor sometimes). The science and the moderation of the forum over here doesn't bring me enough income at all. Currently I have some private students which I'm teaching with a Chinese partner. Well, we'll see what the future is going to be.